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COOL !!

i'll get it on the 10th, Living in Beirut, Lebanon (Middle East)

thanks for the info :)

Does this mean that branded phones in the UK wont be getting it?????
we havent even got  v12 yet:((((

You'll Get it form (14/10) to (20/10) and it depands on your Network Operator.

\o/

thanks !! ill be having mine in 10/10 . ASIA!

GOOD NEWS!!!

I am in Hong Kong, that means I can upgrade to v20 on this Sat.

Very happy for that. ;D

Yeah!   I live in Hong Kong too!   I can get the firmware update the earliest!

me 2....also living in beirut

Hi all,

Just joined this forum, can't believe I haven't found it before, have been resident on All About Symbian for a while.

Anyway, I'm also in the middle east, Saudi Arabia, so expecting to get v20 on Sat 10th. Will this be via PC only or will it be possible to do it OTA?

Having trouble with my Windoze XP machine setting up the newest version of Nokia Software Updater.

Cheers

Hmm i wounder if

Stage 2
Date: (11/10)
Region: EUROPE
Type: Un-branded Phones

includes sweden three, anyone know's?

Sweet thanks for the intel!
// Danne

NICE!!! M in India and can Upgrade On SATURDAY!! Il be the first!! Wait for my own personal review! hahaha...JUST CANT WAIT! :o :o :o :o 8) 8) ;D :D ;)

I'm pretty sure that three-branded units will be updated up to a month later. 3(three) usually write their own things in to the firmware even though it seems that it is not branded.

Ok thanks for your reply mate, i guess i should call three and ask them myself :D

erm.. i just order a N97 and it havent arrived yet! and i also duno anything about how to upgrade my n97 firmware.. so, can any1 giv me some guide on how to upgrade? btw, im from Malaysia. can any1 pls help?  :(

Welcome to the Forum,

When the V20 released it will be a Topic Here in the general Section for How to update for V20 with very detailed Steps, Screenshots & Videos.
So Stay tuned!

Thank you,

owh.. okok!! thanks alot..  :)

it says unbranded phones....ull probably get it from 14-20th

I live in Israel
That's is mean I get me Upgrade on 10/10/09?

Three is usually very slow at getting the updates out to the units. So I would be patient and wait, it would probably take up to a month....

 :DTrue that and i just cant keep away from my n97. Lying in the bed atm having trouble sleeping becuse off this darn device. So i wounder if i will get more addicted to this after the update, probably  ;D so easy to type from it as im doing right now

What is the source of this info?

That is written in the first post: nokia uk and nokia mena

Highly doubt Nokia with stick to the schedule.
Nokia engineers weren't able to confirm this when I asked them.

I got a N97 with no logo or anything came from phone4u on release date but on orange network that branded or unbranded?

Hello. I spread this information on dailymobile.se forum first, and I would love for you guys to mention me as the source, If you fail to do that, I won't leak anymore information in the future. http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php/topic,12516.0.html

You are warned for the future.

5 hours left!! im hoping that the release will be smooth..

One more thing, does oct 10 means 12.01am oct 10? hmmm

Yes, but to be correct, it also means 12.00am Oct 10 if you want to be specific.

The updater service is down at the moment, it could mean the servers are being prep right now :D

Good news. Awesome.

ok its time here 1.55 am 10 oct and i'm on 12.0.024 version with type rm-505 no latest updates yet just tried 1min ago

well its still 6:10pm in lebanon...jst hoping for a midnight release

40 mins left  ;D

30 mins only  ;D

25 minutes . . :)

still cannot upgrade  :(

Counting clock Shows 000 00 00 00

ITS SHOW NO UPDATES! IM FROM MALAYSIA (ASIA)

nokia are probably waiting for the moment when it is 10/10 in all of asia and the middle east...there are still 4 hours and 46 minutes till its midnight here in lebanon

Counting clock Shows 000 00 00 00

Hi Guys any news guys. are we able to update to Version 2.

So Far Nothing when i try to update my N97.

I am from Malaysia Asia.

From Shahiran

relax guys. . give nokia some time. :)

hi Bro nokiaphilippines24

Thanks For Update Can You Tell Me what time we are able to update.

From Shahiran

technically, we(Asians) should be able to update right now. But for some reason, updates in our software updater doesn't show up. Maybe Nokia is still working on it. I hope they really do cause i stayed this late in dawn just to update version 20.

philippine time 12:47 a.m Oct 10

well in most of the middle east it isnt 10/10 yet...4 hours 14 minutes left...try in the morning

Ya right bro we should get the update by know. i am getting error when type on dialer *#0000#  - option - check for update getting connection error is that because nokia server still updating?.

yes dude. I will. :) when all in asia turns oct 10. Our update will surely be available.

thats not bad.. 11th for the europe unbranded

Stage 2
Date: (11/10)
Region: EUROPE
Type: Un-branded Phones

cant wait to try out the new fw

thats one complicated language.. how do u understand what all those little boxes with lines mean..

i translate them using google translator...i dnt know chinese

 8)

开始我以为你是中国的类

原始是用谷歌翻译的

难怪看上有点别扭..

呵呵 ..

Some place，Inaccurate translation

will the N97 2.0 update be accesible from NSU or we need to use NSS for the same

Only English Please.
Thank you

stuffy

 :'(

Go to bed....

tried out now. from India. No updates at all :(

when we will get it

haven't really seen an official nokia release on the date/time. Guess the dates were only rough estimates...

Still no update for Hong Kong...
It is 10-Oct-2009 0300 in Hong Kong.

May be I should take a sleep and hope that V2.0 will be ready this afternoon.

Nothing here in Bangalore too...India...its 1:01 am 10/10/09...

its still 10:34pm here in lebanon....im still holding on

its 1.16 a.m here in bhubaneswar,orissa,INDIA..no updates till now

The release dates are aprroximate i guess and then there is no mention of the time too, so i guess they will take some time..have been waiting for a good featurepacked firmware since i bought ma phone in july..dont mind waiting a bit more..will post back if its available.

count down says in 1 hour and 7 minutes

same here

Please Note, The Count time is Counting until 10/10 not until the update...You may found it available tomorrow morning or tomorrow Night as it has to be approved from all countries websites and all Operators to be available through FOTA & NSU in the same time.

Grigoris22..the counter on my browser shows 000(days)00(hrs)00(mins)00(secs)...where do you live? time zone difference i guess..

Yes, there still people has 7 hours left.

i thought the count down was the same for everyone seing as its for the time the first bunch of people will have it in asia?

No Grigoris22, The Counter is Designed to Dedicate your Region and your time and calculate the Time left for you to enter (10/10/2009). Good luck tomorrow in the update !

cyprus is considerd asia??? cyprus is part of europe :S

but my phone has a uk code. i guess i have to wait until unbranded uk phones get it .

but ty. sunday for uk phones .. maybe ill change my code to a asia code :D

2:00 AM ...Still Nothing in Bangalore, IND...Dyam...Dis is probly the most awaited FW update in de history of FW updates...LOL...

Aaahh...M goin to sleep now...too sleepy....hv to wake by 7....maybe il try den...GN yaw'l... :-[

7am on a saturday?

ok, i'm exctly 5 minutes away from getting the update ..

i'll keep u updated guys .... wish me luck :D

mine says 3 minutes also..

where are you from?

Beirut, Lebanon ( Middle East )

wish this counter is right or else i'll shoot myself  :P

all 0's now :d your very close to my country cyprus.. will try a lebanon code now see if it has the update..

good luck

LOL, ok there is no update here ..

will try every 5 minutes and keep u guys updated if it is released ...

EXTAND the counter :P

hehehehe

my phone has a uk code which the update is sunday but i am going to use a code that has the update and update anyway

please do me a favor and send me the code that has an update if u succeeded ... i have a night shift at work will get back to u soon guys .... please don't forget to PM me the code if u get it ... regards

list of codes~:

http://nokia.nigelcoldwell.co.uk/stuff/n97rm505pc.txt

then i check here: http://www.nokia.co.uk/get-support-and-software/download-software/device-software-update/can-i-update

i might just wait until sunday its only another 2 days well one now seing as its after midnight..

is there anyway you could find the setup on the nokia and share it online? sureley the file must save somewhere on the phone or there a url to download from pc?

This countdown timer- does it actually reflect the real-time availability thru nsu? I mean will it show on nsu at precisely midnight??

its 9.33 am no updates someone common pls say u hvae done it and send the link like v12

nothing in UK so far, but then i dont know which product codes are valid for it yet?

7:22 a.m

NO UPDATES AS OF NOW.

PHILIPPINES

check this out on the nokia support discussion pages http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&message.id=58421#M58421
says the schedule for the v2.0 on here is incorrect according to a nokia employee that is but who knows lol.

uk gets the update on the 11th if unbranded

there is no update at all...(Hong Kong)

oh well, im starting to think that it is just a false statement(the October 10 release). Hopefully, im wrong. :)

same here in qatar.. no update at all!!! :-[      ive been trying every 5mints nothing happen!

Still no update here ... Lebanon ( Middle East )

maybe a short delay for asia phones. Am gonna go to sleep then try again tomorrow hopefully there will be an update.

good luck man ... hope we all get it, nothing is worst than waiting for nothing .. :S

same here...Indonesia

I'm on V11.0.0.21 & I get it last!

it's 5.00 am here ( Lebanon ) still nothing ....

 :o MALAYSIA 1000 HRS. No updates till now.... ???

still waiting

same here no new updates from Philippines

how will i update my n97

nothing to in egypt !

this is just bu@$#@hit nokia is playing with us all this time and the update hasnt been release, i dont think we r going to get anything n im waiting till the 12 with no hopes

I still have two day to wait.  I'm in stage three.   :'(

israel here... no update yet...

Hong Kong here........... no v2.0 update yet, this is10:32AM

how will i get the upgrade? no 2.0 update yet? from Philippines

download nokia software update or do it directly from your phone.

ok now, who posted this countdown here? who's ur source? and why not showing up for a post update ?

thanks ...

yes i hope this wasnt a joke.. i almost sure we can update in a few hours..

hope so, this started to get to my nerves, i just hae waiting for nothing ...

is it a delay on asian phones? or the info in this site is totally wrong? . .

the problem is when they put the countdown timer on this site, there's none one single information where did they get such news about the release date of firmware v20. Whether it is from Nokia or it is from another N97 site? Either way, i still have 14 hours to wait til Oct 11 comes.


Still no update here. Philippines

no new update here in the Philippines still V12.0.026

as mentioned on the first post Asia should get it first on the 10th ( today ), but as you said no single clue from where they got the info ... hope it's just a delay and it's not at all wrong ....

still no update, it's 5.30 am ( lebanon )

Malaysia  here........... no v2.0 update yet,  Time Know 10:59AM

What Is Happening ....... Is there Any Update. Nokia Team Please Let Us Know When We Can Update To V2 Please Let Us Know.



Still Waiting............


From Shahiran

the real news is out!!

http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&message.id=58421#M58421

so v2.0 release is just a bluff? toinks...

    neukenuk wrote:

    Spotted N97 V2.0 coming soon.

     

    N97 Approximate Rollout Schedule:
    1. 10th of October : Rollout to unbranded ASIA productcodes
    2. 11th of October : Rollout to unbranded EURO productcodes
    3. 12th of October : Rollout to unbranded AMERICAS productcodes
    4. 13th of October : Rollout to unbranded REMAINING productcodes
    5. 14 till 19th of October : Rollout to all branded productcodes
    6. 20th of October : Rollout globally completed.

    Dont know if I should wince or cheer still. Do I hope it true? Possibly maybe

     

    Source: Dailymobile.se

 

I am not sure about the origin of the above but what I can say is that the schedule is incorrect.

 

We are for sure putting the N97 PR2.0 out for public download as soon as possible. PR2.0 will be a major overhaul of the PR1.x baseline. In fact, there is so much new stuff included that we will first introduce PR2.0 via NSU. The schedule for PR2.0 is still not verified, but I'd expect to find the open market versions being distributed by the end of this month (this is not a promise). You will  be notified of the new SW availability via myNokia (are you a member yet?) and the in-built SW update application on your N97, which will notifiy you about new firmware releases in NSU and/or FOTA as well as core application updates such as Maps etc.

 

FOTA updates to PR2.0 will follow in due course.

 

I know that there is a lot of anticipation for this release and therefore we are putting an extra effort to ensure that your update experience will make it worth the waiting.

 

In addition to the above, next week we are introducing the latest version of the NSU client so be aware that you will have to update your currently installed version. The main changes in the new client include support for the N900 product as well as some minor improvements.

so v2.0 release is just a bluff? Nokia Cheated Us >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


From Shahiran

nokia didnt cheat us, someone just post the rollout date and everyone assume it is accurate without checking. Its our fault for believing and not confirming....

Then nokia should send out notification to all user that this is not correct date for release version 2.0 Nokia didn't send any notification so all the user have believe that the date release are correct. right???.

From Shahiran

Nokia has the right not to inform anyone if it is not in the authorized news, i dont think nokia even knows about it until the very last minute, its like tell your neighbor that N97 has a V20 update, and it spread in 1 day to the whole town, how u expect nokia to know.

nuff said. Lets wait for the V20.....

what ever so when will the version2 will release out any idea

guys either the entire post was a goof-up or its just that nokia is taking its own sweet time like it has for the past three months in releasing this firmware...anyways its 10:34a.m in INDIA here and no update yet, gosh im sick of waiting & waiting & still waiting..already been a long time and this update is already over-due, they got to roll it out already, nokia its october already, wake up.

ya bro u are right.we are waiting for 3month to get new firmware for n97.nokia just release it.we are waiting since last night.

Malaysia Time : 1.45PM
Date 10.10.2009

NOKIA... give us nice and great mobile device..but....where is our FW?

waste time

can't nokia, such a big company, give advisory or reaction to such leak of release date information right now? we even don't know if this came from nokia, or was made to pressure them to release it.

it was aweful for them announcing such firmware update with no certain date of release, and keep everyone wait in vain. This kind of release is supposed to be in the initial release as it is a touch screen, and 5800 is 6months older, enough for them to make kinetic scrolling possible.

im from turkey , and waiting long time  but no FW yet.. why nokia is kidding with us?  if i cannot get new FW in 2 days, i will sell my n97 and ill buy iphone 3gs

you think your disappointed now? wait till you get an iphone ;)

Malaysia Time : 2.30PM
Date 10.10.2009


NOKIA... give us nice and great mobile device..but....where is our new firmware  >:( >:( >:(

bro jrdion97 i don't think nokia is seeing  our complain here bro.i am also damm piss of know i am waiting since yesterday night nothing happen.any way i am don't care who is mistake here but nokia is big company they don't care about consumer.i want the new version to be release by today as we all waited for 3month but nothing happen.They Should Release The New Version By Today.If Not They Will Lose Their Customer.Customer Wont Believe Them anymore..... Counting Start Now....... Support Me Guys As We Have Wasted Our Time Since Yesterday We Need to Get What We Want By Today.

Seriously, my friends were even thinking of getting other phones like iPhone 3GS or Omnia II/HD than waiting too long for the most awaited firmware update. Hope Nokia won't be too late.

Hi Bro kennibal You Are 100% right.Hope Nokia won't be too late.They Counting Start Now........

hi bro, totally supporting you.


and read this:
in turkey n97 price is about 1800$  and i bought 2   n97, 1 is mine and other for my girlfriend and paid about 3600$. i said my friends to buy n97 and they did, 4 of my friend bought n97 and now we are dissapointed and angry. nokia is a big company and they must care on their phones and costumer.... really dissapointed.....!! i will sell 2- n97 today.. thats enough !!!!!!!! i will never buy nokia again.!!!

NEW! Message From Nokia UK Agent Today. Nokia Changed the Release schedule to NEXT Week.



you All Have Waited 10 or more days since the Announcement just another 6 Days for wait and get the Update Directly.
Please, Accept our Apologize we Give you all Info as soon as Released.



SOURCE >>> http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&message.id=58421#M58421

anyone who has knowledge of simple english would understand that this post certifies that the firmware might release at the end of the month (which is only a possibility) as stated in the post above......

it only states that the new version of NSU will be avail. next week and does not state in any way that "n97 v2" will be avil. next week (please refer lines 3-5)

im from Pakistan , and waiting long time  but no FW yet.. why nokia is kidding with us?  if i cannot get new FW in 2 days, i will sell my n97 and ill buy iphone 3gs.

bye bye N97
:( :( :(

hey kennibal ,Shahiran,jrdion97,
i m with ya ALL
nt fair
Waiting waiting nd waiting
nuffing Eles :(

So, is this for real? And is the source you are pointing out correct? Is it only for Nokia UK or for the rest of the regional product codes applicable?

Thanks!

Why Nokia Why
Why u r Playing with our Feelings
Not fair
:(

oooooooh another week know :|

Aren't those Nokia guys out there aware of how N97 users waiting for that must-be-installed firmware?

Do they really have to make a lot people wait like this, and until the time has come for the release of that firmware, another spoiling BETTER and ENHANCED NEW Nokia PHONE MODEL will surprise us?? Leaving us end up like losers with what we buy as they are more expensive but with fast depreciating price?

As if they don't care of customers as long as they keep their sales up high and safe from being munched up by Apple and Google phones.

And aside from the nice firmware update, how are they now handling N97 users' issues with the attached protecting and scratching lens' sliding cover?

They've got to prioritize this first as we all thought of this as their flaship Nseries model.

It says "Next week we are introducing the latest version of the NSU client"
This is not the new firmware

I know we were all like kids on Christmas day (or what ever likeness you celebrate) and now we are all disappointed.

But!

They will release fw 2.0 as soon as possible but most likely not until the end of the month so.

So no need for endless waiting and disappointed faces until this moth is over

IF we get it sooner then thats great! but the important thing is that we will get it.

Be patient!

This phone has been out in the UK since July and 3 months later we are still witing on the first major update. Frankly getting sick of waiting and putting up with the bugs in it. Nokia will lose a few customers next week if they don't improve their efficiency when it comes to releasing updates!!

"NEW! Message From Nokia UK Agent Today. Nokia Changed the Release schedule to NEXT Week."

Yeah sure....you and your trust forum...and your "good info"...and your trust sources...and so

This place really has shot itself in the foot - hopefully next time you will have learnt a bit of a lesson!

Will the 2.0 version be available for devices that had problems upgrading to the 12.0 version because of their product codes ?!
Thx.

haha, i will just wait for the news to come out, i wont be waiting for it. I can live with updating a few days lafter the news is out.

i dont trust to nokia anymore. !!! cheater Nokia !! they sold us "half- phone" rebooting, camera with lots of problems ( quality, lens prob etc. ) tons of bugs. why we paid alot of money for this garbage ?

Rite
CHEATER ND CHEATER :(

damn nokia  >:(
always do the same mistakes!!!

Nokia really need to get there act together. This just aint good enough.

Guys guys !
Take it easy !
Why are you acting like kids !
So what ? Just wait another week or two ! You have been waiting for 1-2 months !!!
And plz answer my question: Will this version be available for phones that used to have problems upgrading their software because of their product codes ?!

u know Guys
Nokia iz Dam Cheater in the World
today i will sell my lve, jan, Sweet Heart Mobile Nokia N97 :( :( :(

Nokia didn't cheat anybody.

1. The fact of the matter is a countdown was placed on this forum (nothing to do with Nokia).

2. A poster posted that release schedule with absolutely no proof (what does confirmed by Nokia UK and MEA mean. You really think that would be true?)

3. You chose to believe this rumour. No other forum was posting this info so was it not obvious that this was a complete hoax?

4. Since when do Nokia post future release schedules. It's never happened before so why would id start today, just like that?

The fact of the matter is this whole thing was a hoax, designed by somebody for a laugh and you all took the bait. You cannot blame Nokia for that.

Nokia stated that the update would be out in October. Fine, if November comes and you don't have it, then you can begin to complain. For now, just ignore any 'source (hehehe)' that posts up here. I won't mention any names of course ;)

im angry because firmware release time is too late. waiting long time, and maybe you know Turkey still usin v11.0.21 !!!! Nokia cancelled v12.... why we have to wait them? nobody cares us ? and how will they fix camera lens scratch problem???? tons of bugs... im waiting ur relax reply ..

I think the point is that Nokia launched a clearly defective and substandard handset that wasn`t ready in the first place....then they even admited as such.....then delay the the firmware thats meant to iron out all the glitches. To be honest i think nokia are taking the wet! If it wasn`t for the promise of the firmware update i would of sold my handset about a week after i got. The N97 as it stands is cr@p. Should of followed the massives and got a iphone. If the firmware is delayed again i will launch my N97 up the nearest wall and claim the insurance and get a iphone!



And what the hell does Nokia think thier doing with all these difrent release dates? (Unbranded phones this date, unbranded phones country that date and branded phones the other date?) Just give us the update please nokia!!!!!!  Why is it done regon by regon? Are customes in some countries less important than others?

All this goes to show that nokia aren`t  top dogs in the moble world.

Well said tazzy you have right,the problem with the information is this forum,not Nokia,when i wrote in this forum last week that the info is not true,the administrator contacted me and it said that they have good sources and if i post again that the info isn't right they suspend my account!
It seems that i was right sow the info from here was FAKE,and yes,you can suspend my account now,i saw what trust forum that is!

very unprofessional of the admin if this is true, thats no way to treat the users

Exactly...Obviously it isnt de fault of Nokia...this forum announced itself de dates n shit...but wateva guyz...i luv dis  phone...n Nokia rocks...it's a big thing dey're releasin de updated FW in de first place...dat showz dey care...n plus v al shldn blv crap posted on random forums wen v hv official nokia forumz around...

I propouse to exit this forum and don't make any traffic in this forum ,because this is what they want:to make traffic and make money ;)
Nokia forum is the best,and it can give us good info
Check it out
http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/

I agree!
Nokia has done nothing wrong regarding the release of fw 2.0.

They did not say a specific date, they said some time in October and guess what!? it's still October!  :o

How about you look at it in another way?
They are making sure 2.0 will be perfect and looking at the code over and over again just to make sure they get it spot on.

It takes time! but you might just get the perfect fw to your phone.

Patients is virtue!

Its a pity about the v2.0 update not comin though but last time I looked my N97 could still Make calls, send text, play on the internet and loads of other stuff. Would rather have the V2.0 with all the T's crossed and the I's dotted. When the firmware gets installed on my phone I want it to work first time and if that means a wait I can live with that.
Must say it was not great PR for Nokia though, ho,hum...

i lost my trust in this website. . thats it. They just getting their news in other n97 websites. .

The moderator have this recent post that fw v20 will be available next week while the statement really said that what comming next week is the new version of Nokia Software Update, not firmware v20 which the statement said they gonna release it at the end of this month.


oh well


n97fanatics.com

:)

okay,just waitting a couple of other days!

way to go nokia...


oh well

The release stages is simple. If everyone upgraded at the same time there would be major issues with server speed from the downloading of the new software versions, so this is logical.  

As for the release dates being postponed, well, if you go on the beta labs for nokia you will see oftern software being told the next version will be avaiable in a couple of weeks, and its a couple of months later.  

I for one have been waiting for this update, as software on my phone fails to work correctly some times, and the hassle of doing full resets makes me want to wait for the updated software version.  

But the thing is, if you want the latest technology there always will be problems.  People mention how great the iphone is, and yeah its a cool piece of kit, but until a couple of months ago, you couldn't send or recive MMS messages, and you couldn't forward text messages, and you couldn't cut&Paste.  Again latest technology with major bugs or ommissions. So Nokia isn't the only company to release versions with faults in.

apple manage to release firrmware to millions of people at the same time with no problems... thats one of three things apple got right over nokia

they release firmware to everyone at the same time with no problems as people wait days weeks to update or they dont knwo about the update or for different reasons dont update right away.. but it still works and i used to max a 20mbit connection everytime with itunes with whatever i downloaded. anytime..

second the list of language in the options was the same no matter where you downloaded the firmware.. which for me is a problem as my phone is uk n97 and i like to have greek in the options btu with th english code i dont have it.. i had to change to a greece code..

third is the amount of ram.. it barely plays a decent quality mp4 without crashing non stop and freezing every other second.

apart from that your right.. the iphone sucks it only recently could send mms and take videos witht he camera.. and thats only for the 3gs.. unless you jailbreak of course for cycorder.. but that voids worrenty and many are scared to jailbreak and apple are trying to stop jailbreaking and succeeding so far the hackers dont have a jailbreak for the last 2 firmwares..

no flash on the camera 3mp camera i cant put a theme no changing sms tone nothing! no bluetooth send recieve files... the iphone is just so much crap over the 3 points they got right the rest just sucks the bad out weighs the good..

but nokia have sold much less 97 handsets they could easily put the same languages and set the firmware to everyone at the same time without problems.. if apple could let millions of people download at the same time no problems then nokia can let the few hundred thousand that have the n97 to dl the firmware

Crashing while playing .mp4 files?, plays fine on mine, maybe you should try not to have so many apps running in the backround?

nope i have nothing infact i have like 3 widgets only just so it uses less ram.. but most the time the mp4s just freeze all the time if i convert them to high quality mp4s ive had them crash saying the ram has run out when i have nothing running its annoying

postponed?? lol. that's funny. its not postponed the date you had was never the official release date. that's what happens when you put up timers that are based on pure speculation and rumor.

Try hardreset, and if that doesn't help then send it to repair. Becuse mine plays fine, both high and low quality.

really? what converter do you use?

on low quality they freeze all the time and high they crash half way through due to low memory with nothing running

Yeah, like everyone else I got my hopes up with the v2.0 firmware update. And yeah like everyone else i was disappointed hell when nothing showed up today.  I could understand the pressures of having the WHOLE WORLD waiting for your end product, so in that respect I can give the development guys/gals a break. But as a customer, I don't see how they missed the flaws from the get go. I don't understand why they just didn't wait to release the FINISHED product that didn't piss you off in the middle of an app or call or while answering a call, or the random crashing of apps THAT CAME WITH THE PHONE, i.e. Facebook Widget.

I have never gotten caught into the keep up with the hype of having the latest and greatest cell phone but when I saw the first bit of what the N97 could do I was in awe. Finally a phone that can do almost everything I would want a phone to do. I payed my $650+ (the most i have EVER payed for a phone, EVER!). And was shocked in how small it was. But when I turned it on I was surprised to see how bland the user experience was. With in a couple hours I was finding UI flaws and inconsistencies all over the operating system. Its a damn shame when you have 3rd party apps like Gravity (An absolutely wonderful application, that would have updates almost everyday to iron out the major bugs) that kept abreast with flaws and provided a service that they promised.

While the N97 definitely has the Iphone beat with the amount of "user services". The implementation Was extremely flawed. Whoever decided on the ram size and clock speed were idiots. I mean yeah for a low end phone that would be fine, but realistically, for a phone that is supposed to multitask (sometimes) play video, music, pictures, web. It seems almost like it starts to choke before it even gets started. If i could somehow re-solder an equivalent processor but with a high clockrate, maybe around 600Mhz, that would be fine. The sad part is that this phone does not WOW the user, and does get people talking. We ALL know how crappy the Iphone is, I had one for 2 weeks and was absolutely pissed with the little things I couldn't do, like bluetooth my contacts list. So I took it back.

Now, here I am, with another phone thats disappointing me, but not with the feature set, but with the low end hardware and now enters the N900 which is cheaper than the phone I bought a couple months ago from the SAME company with the hardware the N97 should have have and compatible with t-Mobiles frequencies. I really don't see why I should keep this N97, oh yeah I do..."It's beeter to deal with known issues than looking over the fence and jumping into a completely different yard of issues." I absolutely LOVE Nokia phones, but this whole N97 this was disaster.

oh yeah, I caught this off the Nokia Discussion board, a Nokia employee refuting the firmware rollout dates:

http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&message.id=58421#M58421 (http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&message.id=58421#M58421)

So, until I see in NSU or my N97 or the NOKIA website that v2.0 is out this whole speculation thing is for the birds.

To the guy the the mod threatened to ban for questioning his "sources", I think its funny that people get mad that you don't believe rumors...

*sigh*

im happy with my N97. Im on v12.26 . All i want for v20 is kinetic scrolling. Im not experiencing problems in my N97 like anyone here complaining about the shortcomings of the phone. . Im thankful that my N97 is better. :)

i dont care about the scrolling i never use the touch screen i care about is the mp4 playing well withotu freezing and crashing on high quality and the ringtone problem where it plays the default nokia tune even when u have another ringtone set.. hopfully it will fix them problems oh yes and mroe memory on the c: drive

lol, well aren't you special..
considering the bulk of all the issues are software related your statement is kinda ridiculous...but definitely funny ;)

guys nokia been cheated us.any statement that they give us consider cheating us.nokia been cheated whole world.i am really upset with nokia make us wait like dog.

im sure it will be released soon enough

lol. nokia never gave us a release date for the firmware upgrade. so how is that cheating?
I feel a little cheated they released a so called "flagship" phone that is sub par, but they haven't cheated you by not releasing the firmware last night.

i dont care about the mp4 playing well without freezing and crashing cause i have no such problem . Goodluck to you mate. Lets hope that V20 will fix your problem.

thanks..

and i hope the kenetic scrolling is good for you..

which comverter do you use to convert your xvid and other file formats? maybe the problem is my converter

Well its not that im special . .Its just that I know what I need to do to my phone to make it work MY WAY. There are so many tips in the internet on how to make your N97 a better phone. Do I find it funny? Guess not. I find it LUCKY rather. Goodluck to your phones.

tips to make it a better phone? like disabling features so the battery lasts longer or how so?

I dont use converters because of the fact that I download videos already in mp4 format. I manage to watch The Proposal and Transformers 2 with the only interference is when someone text me or make a call. Other than that, it runs smooth, the quality is not blue-ray type but surely you can enjoy the robots transforming because of its wide screen and average-quality video.

What version is your phone running?

Have you even try to do a hard reset on your phone? I mean.. it clears all memory space in the phone memory. I just did a hard reset last week. Yes all the built in application will be removed(because theyre installed in the phone memory) but you can re-download them in the Ovi Store, by that process you will have a choice to download it to your mass memory drive rather than in your phone memory.

oh i always download xvid and convert them rather then finding .mp4 formats.

version 12.0.024

yes i was forced to do one after changing my phones code and my phone crashing with a blue line or green running across the phone and the phone not turning on i had to hard reset to fix it

i see. . http://www.imp4movies.com/

give this site a try. . All videos in here plays smoothly in my device. If it freeze or crash in your phone, maybe your phone really do have a problem. .

just try so that we can diagnose whether the problem is on your converter on in your phone.

thanks.. ive been avoiding downloading fromt here because most the movies seem to be in less then dvd rip formats like tcs and cams

guyz...iv bin usin dis phone for lyk 3 months now...i had lots of issues in de beginin...but later i managed to sort  things...i performed a hard rest...den installed everythin on e drive...my phone works perfectly now...i hv bout 5p mb free on my c drive...n plus iv instaled loads of stuff...lyk loads...i hv 7 movies on mass memory...everything playz flawlessly...i use format factory to convert my videoz...its an amazin software n is free..plus i lisen to music wyl browsin...n nthn happenz...no crashes n shit...m doin dat ryt now infact..i don seem to understan y so many of u guyz hv sooo many issuez...

an plus de videos i convert r of amazin quality...its lyk watchin in high def...de software converts de videoz to de exact resolution of de screen...i hv over 1200 songs....iv hacked it using hello thing n installed all good stuff...so les jus discuss our probs n sort em out...

ryt now i hv Opera-Music player-FB-email widget-nimbuzz-messaging open...n all r workinng jus fine...except fr FB whch sumtymz says error in script reporting...das it...n in e drive i hv so much shit dat ryt now i hvonly bout 15 gb free...n c drive 51mb..

the videos are very poor quality from that website..

the ones i convert are much better in quality but the file size larger

my n97 doesent lag with the bad quality videos which is a shame my iphone was good even with the good quality movies...

i doubt a software update will fix this problem it needs more ram

ok guys check this out, i am trying to check if anything going on, connected my N97 via USB and fired up NSU, it loads and everything, but then it return with the following "Sorry, the NOKIA Software Updater service is currently unavailable. Please try again later."

DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD SIGN !!!!!!

Screenshot attached

fingers crossed but I'm not holding my breath.

i`m holding yr fringers to but i canno`t hold my breath ... i`m astmatic:)) :P

while your n97 freezing, how you able to  use knetic scrolling?

Why nooooot todayyyyy v20 why why whyyyyy i`m selling the N97 right NOWWWW **** this stupid shit i maked 2-3 pictures and lens scratched stupid phone ever Iphone rulz

Well I have to agree, everytime I use my N97 I think its Kind of cool.  Then I pick up my wifes iphone 32gb 3gs and its smooth as. The interface is just there, barely touch the screen and it responds everytime, scrolls amazingly.  Her phone has never froze.  
Anyway..........I think Nokia has lost me and my business fleet.
Not to mention the Apps :)

Why can't nokia release it that easy? It isn't a new phone to release, but a mere firmware update for a 3-4mos old phone that's getting nearly spoiled out with bugs and flaws.

I still respect them for their decision, but more and more people are purchasing their products, and about to experience almost the same fate as ours here.

But are they still testing that firmware? I think they have to release so soon. This weekend was supposed to be so fine to have that firmware installed into our phone to get satisfied with what we just bought.

Nokia loves people to wait and wait, and get excited on the upcoming release, while they (NOKIA) love being called up by phone or chase on what's up with the release. If they are announcing a new good firmware, they should make sure that it has been finally done and ready to release. No press release whatsoever is necessary with this. They're getting to the whole world's nerves.

Nokia, if your reading this, please don't take us for granted. That firmware must be on your N97 first release, and not being released along with your new N900 or 5530 with Kinetic scrolling. You are making your N97 users pitiful. And the truth is, your losing them one by one.

After you release this firmware, don't expect people will forget this. N97 is facing a lot of issues, not only with its firmware, but its HARDWARE, for instance, the camera lens cover. Support your product effectively and eventually everything will work out fine.

You are so right! all my opinion  :o >:(

ok i have to admit, this update postponing really sucks!! but also i don't want nokia to rush and release yet another version that is full of bugs!! so i think i'd rather wait a week or so than to have to wait another three months so nokia would release the next firmware to fix the bugs they left because they were in a hurry  >:( maybe we should be thankful that nokia is taking its time perfecting its new software :) or at least lets hope that's why nokia's late ;D

 As much as I hate the idea of a touch screen only Phone I definitely hate the N97s 3 row keyboard even more. It needs a dedicated row for numbers, That stupid pad to the left is useless especially for gaming  and the space would have better been served for a number pad & directional keys. Also, I would really prefer the space-bar in the center. I just can't seem to get used to it so I  Just ordered a Blackberry Storm 9530 to replace it.

  Take a look at the Gen 1 Storm with it's firmware update. The phone kicks butt. At the end of the day the N97s Camera & GPS also fail to impress me & having to Compress & decode  files so that they play on a device with 32 GB of internal storage Is unacceptable. it's just too much of a step backwards from Palm OS IMO. I see the Blackberry as a giant leap forward From the N97.
Who knows, I could be wrong but considering that GPS, Typing, and having documents to go are of the up most Importance to me. I don't think so. the N97 Is just too clumsy a device & I'm just sick of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZGUugRyW5M

Well here is a link with a Employee of nokia stating that the dates given aren't correct:

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&message.id=58421#M58421 (http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&message.id=58421#M58421)

Thought it was a little too good to be true, oh well, we'll keep waiting . . .

Nice Demo,

However, I did not see any serious typing in the demo what so ever.

Nor was there any solid demo of WebBrowser or Webbrowsing on that phone.

I need a solid key response and also that kinetic scroll you saw is in the next ROM.

Sorry to see another user leave.  However, if emotion and electronics are the mix, you might want to go back to a non-gui phone.

iPhone has to be jail broke to get any freedom of choice.

Yes there is a gazillion users and gazillion apps on the apple store for it.  But only the apps that the app store will allow.

This is why there is such stability.  Apple is controlling every step of the process.  Stability and simplicity is everything to Apple.

As for Blackberry.

Good luck their.  They are very late to the game.  They are banking that their loyal Business Users will stay with BB after all these GUI tech updates.

I doubt it. 

Remember, you still have executives that barely understood how to use a keyboard using the qwerty that was on the black berry that black berry was so proud of.  Now everyone is going after apples touch screen keyboard.

Mind you large keys are easier to touch and find with feel, but touch screens with nothing other than look and touch. The Execs are not going to buy it.

They will like the slick look and feel.  But for true business use.  Not.  The old tactile feel will rule there until a better method arrives.

I wish you luck with your Black Berry.

I have a friend that has one of those by the way.  His major complaint is battery life... 

Fully agree here.

I have recently reported a bug to Nokia about the OVI Store.  It was using the latest release of the OVI Store software.  I mentioned the same issue here on our Forum.  It has to do with how the C Drive gets filled and system slows and then the only way back is multiple cold hard resets.  They are investigating it and trying to find a solution.  I am glad they are taking the time to fix this.

OVI store is their new bread and butter source of income.

I am hoping they also fix the OVI store so it properly senses what is and is not compatible with the phone.  As well as cleaning up after itself so that the cache is not filled with OVI graphics.

Additionally I think they are trying to figure out why the hard reset does not fully reset the C Drive as it is suppose to.

I am glad for the wait.  Hopefully it is good news that these fixes are being looked into to ensure the phone is just that much more stable.

you people ****,...one firmware delay and you all decide apple iphone is better?

there are so many downsides to apple iphone but i must admit there are a few plus which i never thought i would see from iphone back to nokia...


the touch screen is a lot more sensative  on the iphone ( not that i use the touch screen on the nokia) the touch screen only keyboard is very annoying. but with the nokia you can use gloves using the touch screen.. if that is handy to anyone.. i never wear gloves so for me thats pointless.. but then i again i dont even use the touch screen on the nokia.

iphones crappy 3mp camera with no flash so come night your not taking any pics.. and if your like me and use the camera on the phone and dont like to carry around a digital cam thats a problem..

no themes without jailbreaking.. i mean what do apple care if i want to put a theme.. and you cant change sms tone and changing ringtone is a hassle to.. maybe those points some might say who cares? and your hapopy with the black boring screen and the crap tones that come with the iphone.. plus ive noticed you can have a movie or video taken with cam playing when someone rings u on the nokia.. its just so much easier..

bluetooth send/recieve files? where are you on the iphone.? a guy withith nick of meDevil made an app that doesent work with jailbreak but again apple are making it harder and hader to jailbreak for the hackers dev team who havent jailbroke the last two firmwares..plus MeDevil wants 4 euros for something the phone should already have..cracked versions are around.

apple are adding features that phones have had for years.. mms wow look we added mms.. and did you know you cant send the mms settings from a website and install like you do with the nokia? for me thats a big problem and my 3gs i had i couldent get the mms working. entered settings manually and still nothing.. same with wap.. no wap

but i have to say apple got a few things right like adding the same language to the phone no matter where you buy it and also firmware updates everyone gets at the same time.. which imo is a plus..

my nokia i can use as mass storage where as with the icrap everything has to go through itunes apart from pics and videos taken with the camera they show up when u plug in the usb.. so once i put files on there if for any reaosn i want to take them off i cant i have to download extra programs and pay ipod/iphone rippers.

no extra memory.. for me 32GB is enough i have even added an extra 16GB myself which might come in handy some time..

removable battery... iphones battery stuck on there you cant remove which you can buy covers that act as a second battery but it would be nice to be able to remove it still..

still after 3 iphones and they still havent added a front CAMERA.

apple limit what goes in the app store they cripple everything all the functions..

jailbreak makes the iphone that little bit better but as i said before there is no jailbreak for the last two firmwares..

what i hate about nokia is the fact when i try play any decent quality mp4 they freeze a lot and for a few seconds each time.. the worse the quality the less it freezes and crashes due to lack of ram when i dont even run anything..

iphone no background processes.. maybe to some again not a problem but nokia doesent really have enough ram to run background apps.. well a decent amount.. its ok with 2-3 max apps running. yet apple has plenty of ram yet they still refuse to allow people to do it..

apple sell you a phone tell you how to use it and dont allow you to have the simplest of things. app store is great but they got the idea from jailbreakers and they limit what goes in.. plus a lot fo complaints from developers that apple isent paying them..

ovi store was a complete copy of apple store and a waste of time because it sucks but i can download from here or any website a app or game and SEND with the BLUETOOTH and install anything.. nokia are so much more relaxed and allow me to do more with my phone.

and the qwerty keyboard makes it that much better to send text. took a little getting used to the keyboard but the nokias plus sides are so much more then the 2-3 little plus sides the iphone has.

i gave away my iphone 3gs factory unlocked 32GB and i was happy to do so.. the nokia is much better

plus iphone 3gs gps uses google maps.. which again sucks

is that true?? I'm still waiting for this soft (N97 from Orange UK)

I have used the device & can tell you that its keyboard feels good. its capacitive, vibrates, highlights and  the entire screen is one big button you must click. To me & my wife it  felt like we were clicking keys.

 As for the browser; it's faster than the i-phones and works the same except for no pinch zooming, instead you must double tap.

 The Battery Life on the N97 is not so impressive to me either . I'm doing as much as I can to save my battery life but My old Treo 650 easily outlast this thing. I think peoples perception of good Battery life is usually dependent on what they may have grown accustom to in the past with other devices.

BTW. It also supports Xvid out the box.

Here is another video showing what you wanted to know but on the older firmware.
Something to note is that Opera 5 Beta was released for the Blackberry too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjw3-K5rZQ4

blackberry storm specs
http://www.gsmarena.com/blackberry_storm_9530-2540.php

why dont you just change ur code to an unbranded uk one? you lose nothing and gain the updates quicker.. instead of waiting

there is an old saying.. "The grass is always greener on the other side"
and something tells me you guys talking about switching to iphones and blackberry are about to live that saying in 3d.

and if your going to get a different phone sell me your n97

i always had nokia then i moved to the iphone after i got it as a gift..

the app store apps and jailbreak apps some where sweet but over all the iphone just does not compare to the nokia.. it lacks to much never had a blackberry but those things look crap.

wont give up the n97 until another nokia product comes out that is better :D

its all hype. people are brainwashed by all the freak'n iphone commercials..
isn't the iphone just now getting around to adding video and bluetooth?
what a joke..

i think the bluetooth is only to other iphone devices..

but i think its the ipod that got everyone wanting an iphone ipod was by far the best mp3 player out there my first was a ipod photo it had 60GB of storage easy to use i could use as external drive which was amazing..

thats what got me thinking of the iphone.. but they only just added mms and the many other features it still lacks..

plus apple have their iphones in all the tv series in america also.. i notice every episode they have iphones and macs.. the advertising is very good but the product is crap

The N97 could be a better device if.

That stupid key we use to access numbers placed  an onscreen keyboard at the bottom of the screen that stays on untill I Click it again. That alone would make a world of difference.

Copy paste shortcut Keys or something that works a hell of a lot better than what we got now.

More video playback codecs.  How can they call this a portable computer if it doesn't act like a computer? My computer plays many kinds of formats and I expect any device at this price point to do the same.

Nobody likes to convert Video files just so that their device can understand them. It's a waste of my time and it infuriates us all in this day and age. Also, nobody is stupid enough to believe its a hardware limitation when older devices with slower processors can do It.


The keyboard lights need to go off while I play movies.

This GPS issue needs a fix or a recall.  

 
As for selling it, Nah not just yet.  I want to see this firmware update first. If I do get rid of it I want all my money back. Ill have my lawyer review the contract to see if he can have it  nullified. I figure with the incredibly inaccurate GPS having an accuracy of  90 to 460 meters that should get me off the hook. This Phone really has No GPS & what it does have is certainly not usable.  The only thing that would change my mind is if they do what I say for the number pad, fix copy paste & put in an Undo option.  Then maybe I'd be willing to fix the GPS myself like many have already done.

i think the reason behind this no on-screen keyboard is that "YOU HAVE A BUILT IN SLIDING QWERTY KEYBOARD, SO WHY NOT USE IT INSTEAD?". That is the purpose .. having an on-screen keyboard is overkill as others may say.

exactly some hate the keyboard and rather touch screen keyboard and other like myself rather using the keyboard everytime.. a quick flip of the phone is hassle for some?

As I suspected you just want to complain about it..lol. of course we both know that does not do any good.
as far has having your lawyer review it..well thats just laughable.  ::)
good luck though...

one more thing . if you go into this site just to brag about other phones such as iphone and blackberry, why not go in their fan sites?. I mean, your spreading bad words against the N97, against your own phone(if you have one). If you hate the phone, then sell it..


maybe they have some. Appleiphone3gsforum.com OR blackberrystormforum.com. for the ones who brags about their other phones. You don't have to put it in this site.

exactly, plus if you put onscreen keypad that has big letters to press its going to block the whole screen..so it sort of nullifies any real world application.
just my opinion.

There are keylocks now for both the numbers and capitol letters.  They work the same as on a normal keyboard.  I would expect this and it was there.
The normal dial pad does this too.  You still have to go to numbers specifically or Uppercase or Uppercase first letter and then lower case.  And of course the special characters on the number screen.
It is not what you would expect from a normal keypad.  But it does give the lock feature.  It is different, but I am the guy that likes to flip the screen up and use the keyboard.  So what would I know... ;-)


Fully agree here.  The Copy and Paste is so hit and miss it is not even funny.  When you do get it to copy it will not paste where you want it too, like into the URL of the browser....  Heaven forbid.


Amen, brother.  This is technically a Computer that is a Phone.  Sorry, but that is what it is.  In fact is really seems to be a Microsoft Competitor more than anything else.  But in the Handheld realm.  Using the C: D: E: F: Drive paradygm  Come on....


Exactly.  This is arrogance and kowtouing to the Music and Video Industry.  We should be able to stream directly and read what ever format as long as the correct Codec is supplied.


Yes,  There should be an autotime out for this and only come back on after a space bar or touch of the screen....


There is a Fix.  Get to the latest release of the Software.  3.1.3 works so much better it is not funny.  That is also supposedly in the new ROM V2.0.  I have been using the 3.1.3.  Used it on a 6 hour drive.  Drove to Chicago and around Chicago and then back to the Peoria area.  Not an issue.  Plus the update in the UI is great.  Even has lane enhancements to let you know which lane to use in a multilane situation.


Are you on the latest GPS Maps 3.X release that is on the beta site?  If not then get off of it.  Nokia is making updates.  They are working it.  If you are not updating with the latest codes then it is not them to blame.  There is an update that even appears on the Software Updater for 3.1.  That one does fix much of the GPS issues.  It gets even better under the beta release.

Honestly, there have been many and I agree with them, until the V2.0 comes out that most people should back off pushing this handset beyond the basics until it is out.  The stability is there if you stay with in the bounds of what is given you.

The problem comes when there are those that go out side this realm and start using non 9.4 S60V5 Software.  That warning is there for a reason.

Much of the 3rd Party Software is not ready for prime time on the N97.

Even the 3rd Party Software for the 5800 in many cases is not ready for the N97.

There seems to be something a tad different in the memory handling of the kernel of the N97 from the 5800.  They are similar, that I will give you.  But they are not identical.

Add to this, the main dev staff for this product is in India as was announced in Dec 2008...

India only has come on the scene in the last few years.  The rest of the known software world has been at it for 20 years plus.  India only started in this realm 10 years ago and that was not in the mobile phone realm.  Much of the software world has pushed just about all of the development efforts to India, Philippines, Japan, Korea and China.  The people in those shop save Korea, Japan and China, are just getting their legs and a solid understanding of what they are doing in the Software Game.  Korea, Japan and China all have been at this for some time and have a real hold on what they are doing.

Much of what was in India early on has been shifted to other countries.

This is the Global Economy Stupid.

Dumb Down so that you can make more money, then use five to do what one used to do.  Then when they have not a clue, bring in one of the originals that you still have around to fix the crap they have no idea how to fix.

same here. Even the space bar in the right side does not bother me. The mechanism for the QWERTY slide keyboard is very elegant, fast and stable. Besides, i think the QWERTY slide keyboard is the main reason why the phone has an hefty price tag.

There is a Java on Screen Keyboard out there that can do this.  That is if you want to go to that extreme.  I do not.  I use the keyboard that is there.

Cary

You get my vote here.  Fully Support this idea.

If you happen to be one of the iPhone Boys as they are called or BB Stormers, go to your fan clubs and leave us alone.

C

i thought the space bar would be an issue but nokia put it on the right for a reason its not like on the lap top or pc keyboard where the middle makes it easy but on the right for the n97 it makes it easier to type and feels comfortable i imagine in the middle it would not be so good

have you tried to copy and paste on a iphone? its so very annoying

for those who are seriously considering getting a iphone or blackberry i think sometimes its good to visit the fan websites like hackint0sh and other website to ee what kind of problems people have with the device and if its worth getting.. there are so many problems with both more then the nokia has.

v12 on the nokia is very good i bet v20 will be pretty sweet to.. cant wait until release to try it out.

Of course I use that (no real choice). I just don't like to. its too difficult.  I know it seems easy when you look at the phone but it's not. if it worked like the Sym key but just went split screen instead of placing a whole new window in front of you that would work better. the keys could be bigger and easier to hit.  I don't need this keyboard for numbers. I need it to type.

This is why the N97 is slower than the HTC Diamond Pro II or any other device with a normal keyboard.  Their layout is in my way just like predictive text and spell checking. thank god I can turn them off  but unfortunately all of you need to get used to my bad spelling (you can all thank the N97 for that)  if not for the forums spellchecker we all would be in a world of hurt.

I really wish somebody would give me the job of telling the software engineer how to make this device work. Id make this phone the #1 phone on the market with ease.

Bronxboy,

The GPS Issue you are having and the Camera Scratch Issue is documented and fixed by Nokia.  You have to send the Phone in to get them fixed as there are Hardware Fixes for them.

See the article here as to where to go to get the Fix...

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/10588_Getting_the_Service_Centre_low.php

Even better illustrations here:

http://www.nokiausers.net/Newsflash/A-Nokia-Care-Point-take-on-the-N97-Camera-GPS-Flaws.html

Cary

i completely agree with all your points and having more codecs would be sweet espesially xvid for a codec.. i used to have vlc player for the iphone and you know how badly the videos would lag i would be better off just converting

or another good option to just download them as mp4 format as i agree it is hassle converting to mp4 format.

the gps on the iphone uses google maps.. thats crap.

if nokia could pull of xvid and more codecs like for youtube downloaded vidoes and other codecs which it lacks and could play them withotu a problem that would be sweet

the HTC Diamond Pro II  looks very good but lacks a decent amount of built in memory

that's a very good question.....

well download the software updater from nokia and it detects your device and download the new firmware if there is a new fw for your device.. very easy.. some people have managed to update using *#0000# and then options check for update or in the applications folder and software update to allow them to update wirelessly.. but ont he nokia site it says only from usb and ive never been allowed to update wirelessly..

btu you never uodated your n95 firmware?

also make sure you backup all data before you update

of course, i was just reffering to version 20

well the v20 is firmware like any other so i imagine exactly the same as always :)

Thanks (I think?). I knew about the camera lens fix but not about the GPS fix. Good to see them Own up. Looks like I'm stuck with taking a loss now unless the battery explodes or something.

I don't use Maps. I prefer Sygic Mobile but the only way I can get it to work reliably is with a tom tom blue-tooth  receiver/transmitter I used with my Treo.  So I do Have GPS . As for lockups & speed, I'm not doing so bad now days. I found a fix. there is the occasional hiccup but in general the device is now stabilized.

  The only reason I decided to get the Blackberry is because my wife likes it and after doing some homework I realized that It may just be the most overlooked smartphone on the market. like the N97; Its initial bugs turned it into one of the biggest jokes in the industry.

  Anyway I will test it out and if It truly works for me Ill ditch the N97, pic up another for myself or get my wife whatever she wants. If not; she keeps It and Ill Keep the N97 until I find something from anybody other than Palm, Samsung  & possibly Nokia.  I dont know about you guys but a companies ethics mean a lot to me.  Not only am I looking into how they treat there customers but how they treat the environment.

It's all about Karma Baby  ;) what goes around comes around. For you who don't understand that; its your own fault the world is the way it is.

Thanks I didn't know about either update.  I'm sending my phone in first thing tomorrow.  I have a N79 as a back up phone.  Who knows they may even update my software version while they have my phone. :o

i didn't know it was postponed so i tried to update it at 12 am 10/10 :'(

i'll wait the, all this hype makes me so excited to update it!! ;D

About the camera lens scratches, I got a word from a nokia employee here in the Philippines, he said that N97 that are release in early September doesn't have the lens scratches issue.

I confirmed it through my own phone, I bought my n97 in mid Septmber and it doesnt have even a single scratch considering the fact that i use the camera all the time so i have to close and open it every time. :)

About the qwert keyboard , maybe its all about our preference on what were going to use as a medium to type our messages either touchscreen or the keyboard itself. I can tell you that most of N97 users prefer typing on the keyboard because it feels great and types fast. :)

Yup. Let us just all wait, but hope not wait too long. Hope Nokia will release it tomorrow (daydreaming) hehe!

How do I contact Nokia by the way? I have been doing several firmware upgrades from v10 to 11, then now 12. But with all those upgrades, it didn't fixed the random occurrence of error in slider lock in connection with the display light-up. Nothing changed.

I want to question them if this is a hardware issue, or just a fix in there firmware, because I never experienced this with my Nokia 5800's slider before. Smooth and responsive.

One question guys, if i update my phone to the latest firmware,will it erase my stuff in E:Mass Storage?Cheers.

I don't think so  ;D

No, even if you do a hard reset, your mass storage won't be affected...

I bought it on 23 Aug in HK and complained to them many many time.

I can’t imagine why the largest mobile firm developed this kind of product.
As my expectation, N97 is a flagship product. The product should be smooth (At least, will not hang during a call. At least, do not need to take out the battery to restart.)

The following is a draft list of N97 bugs which occur…

1.
Can't play correct ringtone after key lock

2.
Need unlock 2 times to switch on background light

3.
Vibration is too weak when incoming call. Seems not vibrate.

4.
When call in, a ringtone or vibration needs to wait 2-4 seconds.

5.
Nokia map and some applications (World travel, google map, etc) always can't be opened
   a. Clicked, but no reaction
   b. Clicked, flash then keep in menu screen
   c. Clicked, loading for a while then jump back to menu or standby screen

6.
Black screen after rotate

7.
A white screen on left hand corner if I use flash during taking photo

8.
Suddenly turn off the device when I use msn on phone

9.
It will show many “square” if I play Mp4, rmvb video.

10.
Cannot play video smoothly

11.
Radio cannot use after used Nokia map or the phone standby for a long time (one day)

I am very very disappointed to Nokia!!!!!!!!  >:(

I agree with you. Hope this doesn't appear in the upcoming v20 firmware.

Sometimes Power button won't work, or the phone touch interface suddenly becomes untouchable. This resorts me to replace its battery just to restart.

(2.Need unlock 2 times to switch on background light) - This is one thing I mostly complain for, that I preferred installing MyUnlock to lock/unlock it, but it doesn't help at all either.

I am crossing my fingers to this last resolution that Nokia will release, and hopefully SOONER than what they estimate. Oh Nokia, show everyone that your high-end devices are justifiably topnotchers. I sometimes felt tired of defending your name. My N95 8gb before was an epic, but what happened now?

I regret to buy N97.

Spent HKD5500 to buy a rubbish!!!!!  >:(

Man I am bumed I hoped that my lens cover was not going to scratch my lens, it has four nice scoring lines right over it!  Its less than two weeks old. I hate buying stuff that I have to send back to get fixed. May as well have them look at the gps antenna while Nokia has it.

I face all these problems too... I am from Saudi Arabia.
The worst hitting problems are

1. Sometimes the phone plays NOKIA ringtone for my contacts with assigned ringtones. This really irritates at times...
2. Need unlock 2 times to switch on background light... Y ?
3. A white screen on left hand corner if I use flash during taking photo... None of my night pics are clear because of this. I pay so much money to have a good phone from Nokia, and they have a camera flash which bounces back onto the lens!!!
4. Sometimes when I unlock, the touchscreen feature freezes, and I cant even restart by pushing power button! I finally have to pluck out my battery to fix the issue! That's pretty sad ! The best camera features are of N95!!!
5. When there's a flash, the persons eye bounds to have the RedEye effect! No matter even if I am in RedEye mode.
6. Sound output is soooooo less as compared to N95 !
7. Nokia releases new Symbian OS versions with new generations of mobiles, but sadly it still hasn't been able to embed the DIVX playing capability! Sad !
8. HomeScreen Widgets are so very limited! Home screen should be more edit-able!
9. I think making N97 a super-phone is a good move! But why in the world do they have such less Phone Memory and such less RAM?
10. When I get my phone out of my pocket when I get a call, the screen rotates when i try to slide my finger on ANSWER! It's so irritating!
11. A better headset should have been designed for N97!
12. There were no games (unlike 5800) pre-installed!!!

I too hate this mob. I Paid Indian Rupees 44,000 for this junk. Key lock is terrible. Not easy to attend or make a call while driving. I never recommend anyone to buy this... v2.0 is my last hope.. lets see..

 :o :o :o Well then... Stop using your device while driving... It's dangerous :-\

i agree with point 10 only it cant play videos smoothly unless tis very poor quality

I don't find anything laughable about using a lawyer I'm paying for anyway to get me out of a 2year contract with a phone that's GPS, predictive text & Copy Paste continue to work like crap. These were major selling points for me. Mind you, The only reason my phone is not crashing and locking up now is because i was lucky enough to figure out how to get it to behave. It was not easy. I'm sure 98% of the others using this phone still on ver 11.0.0.20 are not so lucky. By the way,  I'm not using predictive text since (until its fixed)  it does not exist. Still, as was pointed out the GPS has a fix which is nice to hear but that's hardly the end of its issues . The OS is still very dated for what cost  me chf-1000 (that's about $909.00 US BTW).  bottom line is the keyboard acrobatics are too aggravating & I don't like things that get in my way & aggravate me. it's as simple as that.

Here is a list of things that do just that.
Salesmen
Advertisement pop ups
The fact that my $900 phone is trying to sell me things I can't even delete.
any computer loaded to the brim with programs I can't delete which are consuming Resources I paid for.
unnecessary network questions like in Opera.
unnecessary exit questions. (Ask me to save but don't ask me if I'm sure I want to exit when I hit exit).

 Some of you seem to think I use the device with the slider closed. That's not the case at all. i got the N97 for it's keyboard  & use it open most the time.  My point is with it open  accessing some numbers is difficult. I'm not saying It can't be done I'm just saying it's difficult. I don't think a single person except for the Nokia Fandoys will disagree with me when I say the N97s Keyboard is one of if not the worst one on the market.  There is a reason many others are saying this and I assure you all It's not because of the spacebar.
it's the lack there of a convenient number pad.

Don't use 30FPS try 25. That's the standard frame rate for DVDs anyway.

im not sure what my converter converts them to but i find if the movie quality is good they freeze and sometimes crash due to lack of ram..

but with poor quality ones that dont take up all of the screen they play fine

so many complaints in this site. I hope your phone will be fix when v20 comes. I dont want to be the only one enjoying my n97. . :(

i just need a kinetic scrolling in my phone, other than that, it works smooth. cant wait for the new firmware.

it was laughable to me. still is.
but as I said good luck to you.

If v20 cant be smooth, I will trade it out  :-[

GUYS IM IN CANADA ND REST ASURED NOKIA IS ONLY ROLLING OUT DA PRO2 BASELAINE FIRMWARE FOR NOKIA N97 IN NOVEMBER ND MAYBE  A FEW PPL MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THA UPDATE AT THA END OF DIS MONTH  ..... SO TRUST ME YLL NOT GETTIN IT IN NO 6 DAYS OR WEEK FROM NOW

thats why i love being able to change my code to one that has the update :D

Oh really?!  And just how exactly do you know that?! ???

yeah how do you know

1800$ for a N97, the expression more money than sense comes to mind!!  :o

where does anyone pay that much for a n97?!

this is fucking bullshit..... i mean when they say its gonna come out on this date then it should instead of it being postponed.... nokia is a big disappointment as far as being honest to there customers.... we make business for them but what do they for us nothing just a big frown because where not satisfied with our phone when they can better it....

nokia made no such announcement. Only from nokia forums was this information advertised.  but the phone wont become that much  better with v20 firmware plus its already very good on v12 firmware. I think its woth the wait. The new n97 mini which i cant wait to see the specs of and that will be shipped with the new firmware so its out there. Im sure it wont be long now for release.

I miss the days where things were easy going and everyone had a lot of patience... sigh...

may i say something, we are all nagging about nokia and them being liars and postponding their firmware, but did anyone thought that they might did this for our own good and for making the new firmware a bit better and stable ??

i guess we have to give them time to release it, then IF we are disapointed by then, we have all the right to say whatever we want ...

I'm living in NZ, but my phone is a Malaysian phone... so does that mean I get it first, or last?

EVEN IF U GET BACK TO THE STATEMENT FROM NOKIA THEY DO SAY "THE FIRMWARE 2.0 SHOULD BE OUT TO THE MASSES BY MONTHS END " AND THAT THE NU ND IMPROVED VERSION ;D OF THE NSU WILL BE OUT BY NEXT WEEK, BUT DID NOT SAY DAT BOUT DA UPDATE OF THE N97 ???  ??? ALL I'M SAYING IS NOKIA SHOULD STEP UP THEIR GAME ,, HERE IN CANADA AND USA , NOKIA IS LOSING GROUND TO MUCH INFERIOR PLATFORMS LIKE , THE STUPID IPHONE :P THAT EMULATES A SMART PHONE , WINDOWS MOBILE AND BLACK BERRY'S OS . THEN ON THE OTHER HAND U HAVE GOOGLE'S ANDROID OS WHICH IS FAST BECOMING LIKE THE SYMBIAN SOMEWHAT OPEN SOURCE ,BUT THE ANDROID OS IS YOUNG AND THE UI MADE ME QUESTION MY LOYALTY TO THE OLD BORING UI ON MY MUCH LOVED N97 . NOKIA SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT GIVING THE SYMBIAN UI A BIG MAKE OVER , OR LOOSE THE RACE :'( .I'VE BEEN USING NOKIA FOR A LONG MINUTE , MY FIRST NOKIA HANDSET WAS THE 6600  BACK IN 2002 , BUSTY BALLS! LOL THAT BRINGS BACK MEMORIES .THE N SERIES UI HASN'T CHANGED IN LIKE FOREVER . I WAS VERY MUCH INLOVE WITH THE N97 FROM 1ST SIGHT .I WAS ONE OF THE FEW PPL IN NEW YORK THAT WENT TO BUY THE N97 THE DAY IT CAME OUT AT THE NOKIA STORE IN NY. I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE SAME OLD SLUGLISH HANDLING OF THE MULTY TASKING JUST LIKE THE 1ST FIRMWARE OF MY 5800 .I RAN OUT TO BUY IT FOR $699 THE N97 , AND ANOTHER THING THIS WAS NOKIA'S FLAGSHIP SMART PHONE YET NO CARRIERS IN THE U.S OR CANADA CARRY THIS PHONE :(, SO I HAD TO PART WITH A LOT OF PRETTY PENNY'S  >:(  FULL COST OF THE PHONE . ANYWAY I WAS EXPECTING SO MUCH MORE BUT INSTEAD GOT A PHONE THAT I'M FINDING MYSELF HAVING TO TAKE ON SINGLE TASKS ON MY HANDSET ,IF I WANT TO RUN IT FASTER , OR MULTI-TASK AND FACE TURTLE SPEED ;) AND CONSTANT  CRASHING OF OTHER APPS IN THE BACKGROUND . SO INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE MINOR UPDATE , I'M PARTING WITH MY N97 . I'M GOING TO BUY THE N900 , TRY OUT THE MAEMO 5 OS  ::), AND SEE HOW THAT GOES ......... AYT  :-\ ::)  

wow, whats up with the caps??

Could be a malfunctioning N97 LMAO.

I'm saying why not just wait for the update? I mean, look on the release of Vista Microsoft made... That was laggy and buggy and not to much use.

Why dont wait and get something that is ready, guys? We dont need another update that is filled with bugs. I'd rather wait - even 3 weeks  8)

Chill out guys...

Rofl id never thought of dat... well, then he should be eager to get the new update lol

We may not know how far different and better this v20 firmware from the older one, since it is to be released as version PR 2.0.

By the way, I noticed that the crashing of my phone was diminished when I uninstalled Nokia Messaging and Ovi Contacts that I got from SW Update application of the phone. As far as I know, they are running in the background all the time. I am not sure but this may help a little, but I am hoping this issue can be handled properly by the next release.

i have traded HTC hero

the sales told me that N97 is the worst product of Nokia
many people trade out this month

i am very very disappointed to Nokia

But I am still wondering  ???, when is it releasing for Saudi Arabia?
Not able to wait... Nokia is just creating tooo much of suspense !  :o

afaik there is no official release date for the firmware for any country or region..

the n97 mini is being released 25th october some believe it will be before and maybe after then.. i guess we will see..

i think it will be end of this month it will start to roll out and then by the end of next month everyone will have it

iam thinking of selling my stupid n97 i dont want it anymore by the way first mobile was nokia and this one is nokia too i mean n97 and its gonna be the last one from nokia i waited much more but fail for nokia i always loved nokia now i hate them .

im nto sure i understand what your trying to say.. your giving up the nokia because its a slow phone has bad software or your giving it up because nokia are taking ages to release the firmware?

for me v12 is fine

well mate iam sick and tired from nokia more than 10 years nokia user iam selling this piece of junk i was waiting much more smart fone !!!!! its a smart shit sorry for the lang but i cant hold it back anymore iam really pissed off well i think we all buy smart fones for relaxing having everything in ur hands well i bought problems for me every time i look to my fone or use it i get pissed off and i start pissing the other people off too in the company well unfortunatly iam the chef there so they cant do anything but i feel bad being a pain in the ass like this so the best way the hell with the fone am gonna buy nokia 6110 the old old fone it was the best and still or sumsung i dont want any smart fones and for the smart thing gonna buy pocket pc it has all the features and more .

yeah i know hwo you feel i always had nokia and i got fed up i wanted a change so i changed to sony and to iphone and to other models and i ended up back with nokia lol

i hope you find a better phone for you that ur happy with..

im sure the pocket pcs are very good..

this time i was thinking about the 12mp sony n97 and the htc diamond pro 2 but went with this one.. the sony had no keyboard and the htc came with very little memory

Guys please check your NSU every once in a while. This upcoming software release have no definite release date, it will just be made available to your phone in an instant. and please dont forget to remind us if you already did upgrade your phone. thanks

At the very least It's probably because of the text input bugs. It's really aggravating.
I'm not even talking about the numerical Input since that at least works. Under normal circumstances nobody would ever release something like this to the public knowing the damage it could do to their Name but considering how far ahead the others were I'm sure Nokia needed something to keep stock prices up in the mist of this global recession.

 As one of the toughest critics of the N97 I think many of you should  try to calm down. Clearly Nokia is addressing all the issues expediently (which is more than I can say about how Palm treated it's users) and since this is their flagship they will fix all the bugs . However I doubt they will ever do anything about the numerical input. :(  Fingers crossed.

well thanks for the info but its too late for me already got a buyer the hell with nokia !

@ bronxboy

the numerical input will change. It will be like it use to be on old phones. Holding down the nr key will input the nr.

I don't remember where i have seen ore read this information but I'm sure of it.
Though I don't find anything wrong with just hitting the blue arrow thing twice (as a hold) and then once more when done with the number input.

thats the spirit!

good luck with ur next phone..

thanks bro

np..

so which one are you going to get.?

the htc touch diamond pro 2 looks good

Cool.

Even my friends decide to replace their N97, I still can't find any replacement for this. Once v20 comes to my phone and have the camera lens and GPS antenna repaired and enhanced from Nokia Care Center, I think this will last longer with me (I hope so..)

I hope Symbian^3, then Symbian^4 (if possible) will come so soon, and of course be compatible or installed into N97. ;D

I heard that Symbian Foundation OS is a major overhaul of the current Symbian S60v5. It would look like Maemo OS, but this time, it would also be applicable to midrange phones.

your in the states?
you sent it to Huntsville, AL I presume since I think thats the only one here?
when did you send it? and how long did they say it would take?
or did you do the whole process online?
just wondering what kind of turn around there is once they get the phone..

I'm from Philippines. I haven't sent it yet. But when I asked them how long it will take, they said it's around 2-3 days. They are already aware of the issue, but they will replace it for free if the phone still qualifies for warranty.

By the way, there are some sites that post latest firmware versions earlier.

www.blue-nokia.com

or

download Navifirm (just search from google)

or

(enter you product code/s located under your battery)
http://www.nokia.com.ph/get-support-and-software/download-software/device-software-update/can-i-update

ok, when you say replace it you mean the housing/fascia? or the whole phone?
I got mine a few weeks ago and already noticed some scratches on the lens between the flash and the aperture, i also had a problem with the usb charger that seemed to go away(wouldnt boot and battery bars were not correct) and ofcourse the gps signal could of been better so I sent it of today via overnite to the Huntsville AL center.
I did everything online and it said I qualified so off it went. I figure if there is already scratches starting its a matter of time before the camera is even more useless.
hopefully they are not nit picky about servicing since i already did my own gps ant fix.
I listed those 3 things and just wondering if they will replace it or rebuild it or reject repairs altogether do to the gps ant being modded. (i removed the mod but can tell it was tampered with if you look at it.) guess I will find out in a few days when i can track it on their page. when i say track it I mean see the status of acceptance etc on their page.    

You did antenna fix yourself? That's kinda risky if ever Nokia Care Center figures it out.

They said that the phone is not replaceable(well maybe depends on the situation). The only part affected will only be replaced. I plan to send it to the Care Center after I upgrade the firmware to v20. I'm kinda excited to experience it first, as we don't know if it might be released as early as this week hehe!

The scratches on the camera don't hinder the focus yet, though I still want it to be replaced before it gets worse.

Hope everything will work fine with their service on your phone.

yeah, well hind site is always 20/10 right?
it doesnt jump out at you that i did the mod but you can tell if you look close.
considering gps performance was one of the 3 issues i listed im just a little nervous.
honestly I'm not to worried about it since I can probably make the antenna work better than their replacement will ever do but I
d like the camera lens fixed.
do they replace the housing to fix the lens? or is it separate parts? the reason I ask is the antenna is part of the housing so if they fix the lense then by default it would have a new antenna I think.
key words "i think"

update: looks like the camera lens is its own separate assembly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuthiJ-lkK0

FIRMWARE CHECK:




October 14. Wednesday. Philippines. Still no update

usa unbranded was still no go at 2 pm tuesday oct 13th

Hi Bro

October 14. Wednesday Malaysia Still Dont Have Update For Firmware N97....

Hi nokiaphilippines24

Will they implement this application maemo on our N97.Is a good application i saw in N900 is really cool. Will they update in our N97

That was my question too since N900 was introduced to the public.

We are hoping that they can port this Maemo into N97 too. But I have no idea at all if that is possible and if Nokia will do that. As far as I know, Maemo will run on a device with certain hardware specs such as processor with ARM Cortex model and higher RAM -- which is the N900. But I think any OS can be tweaked and run on lower spec devices. In that case, it could be possible to have an N97 with Maemo OS.

There were also blogs that states Symbian Foundation OS will be the equivalent version of Maemo in terms of smooth UI and intuitive approach to UI. This will be there enhanced version of S60v5.

Ya bro i hope they implement this in our N97.Hope they can attached to this version 2.0 If this application in compatible with N900 symbian version that mean our N97Version are also able to support.Since our N97 have also have big capacity i don`t think we have a problem on that and also our interface was great right bro.

I live in malaysia, i've check with nokia software updater 1.7.3,update version is 12.0.026, when will v20 update reach malaysia???

No updates at NSC level for MEA or Europe as yet .

I doubt very much M5 will ever be ported to N97 or any other S60 device so don't get your hopes up folks ;)

Hi I contacted my local Nokia service center in Germany ragarding FW update to v 20 and was told that I would get a 'larger package' if they did the update rather than if I did the update with Nokia PC Suite.
Is this true or ist it BS because they receive a payment from Nokia for every warranty repair (update)

Thanks

GUYS ANY UPDATE....

here guys u were talking about the lens scratch and video and how its happening and whatever here is the link  took 30 minuts to find it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8kN6VhDADk

Just checked for mine in UK

Latest available software for  Nokia N97, product code 0585162
Version:  11.0.021

Relax mate believe me you wont see any update untill the end of this month so just relax and dont think about it too much and every 5 minuts checking if its on or not just forget it cheers  ;D

Guys Any Update  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Is There Any News .... Please let Us Know Nokia.....

For the People asking maemo Is a OS and not an application,
There will be no Import of this on the N97,

Nokia have invested too much money on the Symbian OS for them to waist it and put this on the N97,

maemo is open source so there may be a possability someone somewhere or a group of people could change this to work for the N97, but the chances of that are 1-1000
Too much work involved for 0 money

Also maemo will NOT be in the Update, this is impossible, as maemo again is a OS
and the Firmware Update they release will be for the OS an so

Dont get no hopes up boys, your stuck with the Laggy OS for a Long time to come!

Tottaly agree but I hope when Symbian^2 and Symbian^3 comes to public we can be able to upgrade to it ... Just as I friend of mine updated his HTC Touch from Windows moblie 6.0 to Windows Mobile 6.5

Hi Guys Make this OS or Application Maemo for N97. For Sure possible.This Application Are Able To Support N97

Theres no way N97 can be upgraded to Maemo OS for the fact that they have a contract with symbian to serve as an OS of n97 phones.

From my research, I learned that the N900 is not that expensive because of the MAEMO OS. Again we still dont know how N900 will perform , dont give the phone too much hype. Its the first Nokia operating MAEMO OS on the phone(N900) its capable of flaws. But as a nokia loyalist, i hope not. :)

your on a branded phone you wont see it until last unless you change code

In addition, Instead of hoping that N97 will operate MAEMO software which is impossible, I think it is much possible if they will just upgrade the SYMBIAN OS of N97 rather than to change the OS of the phone to MAEMO.

Yup, I believe Maemo is impossible for N97.

Regarding the availability of v20 release, will they allow this to be released before the release of N97 mini? I think they won't. Maybe we still have to wait for a couple of weeks before its release.

I have experienced the whole OS UI kinetic scrolling with Nokia 5530 (which is available now) and it was so fantastic. It made me feel more excited to wait and update with v20 for N97.

:D

hye, will n97 users from malaysia receive v20 n97 update??? anyone know about this?

FW updates do not have release dates. Anyone who provides you with a date is merely speculating and it shouldn't be taken as anything more than just that...speculation. It will be released when it's released.

thats for sure ;)

Very true.

Hmm I'd be interested to know what the average age is of most of the posters on this board. I would say its safe to assume its VERY young, given some of the posts.

It would also be good if people bothered reading the thread before asking the same question over and over again but thats another story altogether.


1. Nokia never will, and never has published schedules for updates - This means that people can stop asking if a schedule from (www.insertwebsite.com or insertposter) is true. It's NOT.

2. What part of the word GLOBAL is not clear? If your location is considered part of the globe, then you are covered, but if not, then you are not covered. It's actually that simple.

3. Regarding schedule, people will NOT get this at the same time. It will go to unbranded phones first. Sure, regardless, people will say 'hey!! why am I with (insert mobile phone branded carrier) and I have not got it yet? When will I get it?

This is not something anyone on the board here can answer. It is simply something you need to pick up the phone to call your own mobile phone provider, ONCE NOKIA HAVE RELEASED THE UNBRANDED FIRMWARE NOT BEFORE, and then ask your PHONE PROVIDER when will they do the same. Theres no point throwing tantrums on messageboards. It's got nothing to do with Nokia.

4. Theres no point complaining that it's not here yet. We were promised October, so until November, stop complaining!!!

5. Read points 1-4 again.

Sorry but I simply wrote this because this thread has become 20 something pages long with 99% of the questions being the same questions!!!!!!

Anyway I'm off now but can't wait till the next poster asks 'Whens the firmware? F***K you NOKIA!!!!!!!!!'

@2: Does that mean that if I live in a space shuttle, then I will not get the update??? ;D :P ;) :D :-*

Depends where you are in the space shuttle. If you are in space then clearly not but if you are still taking off and within mobile phone reception then you can receive it over FOA provided you don't lose reception before entering space.

space is fine.. ur thinking of airoplane going to another country.. same rule does not apple for leaving earth..

But then its not global!??!?

glob⋅al
  /ˈgloʊbəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [gloh-buhl] Show IPA

–adjective
1.    pertaining to the whole world; worldwide; universal: the dream of global peace.
2.    comprehensive.
3.    globular; globe-shaped.
4.    of, pertaining to, or using a terrestrial or celestial globe.
5.    (of a computer operation, linguistic rule, etc.) operating on a group of similar strings, commands, etc., in a single step.

Going by the definition above I would have to say being in space would make you extra-global so you would not get the update  :P  Now, if you were waiting for a universal release ....

how can i change its code? what u mean by branded phone?

thanx for your explanation...

go to the main index or do a search for changing product code. i beleive its a sticky.

its in the hot to section you can see how to change code.

branded means you bought the phone ona  contract or pay as you go with a carrier such as vodafone at&t orange t-mobile

if you bought the n97 sim free then you get the updates quicker.

but you can change your code to a unbranded phone.. i advice unbranded from your country but you will get it quicker

I won't wholly agree with Nokia not announcing DATE of release because when I bought N97 last July 22, I was eager looking for its firmware update, and I found out that they announced a scheduled date of release of its first firmware update.

Here is an example of the announced release date of its first official firmware update.
http://s60blog.com/2009/07/nokia-n97-first-official-firmware-update-1-july-2009/

 

Well the n97 mini is supposed to be out on the 23rd October so i reckon the firmware will be out around that time.

First, its not Nokia who announced that update. it is provided by s60blog.com not nokia.com, just like what just happened here in this site. Second, V11 is not released in July 1. . It is released in the 3rd week of July with different product codes having different dates of update and unfortunately, some product codes are still in v10 which is really really sad.

Just check your phone maybe every other day, i gotta feeling that v20 is just around the corner. We still have 16 days of October to wait before we all blame Nokia for their shortcomings.

Is the N97 mini will really available in the market this October 23? If that's the case maybe they will delay the N900 up to November because its not a good marketing strategy to release both phones from Nokia in the market at the same time.

About the N97 mini, i think its a downgrade of N97. The only thing good with N97 mini is I think that they already have v20 software and for some that likes arrow keys and spacebar in the middle QWERTY keyboard will find the n97 mini interesting.

I think this is an announcement for Europe, not sure if it's also for Asia. I think they will have almost the same schedule of release. It's possible since they are designed for different markets(N900 for tech-savvy and for its powerful landscape which is more of a mobile computer, while N97 mini are for those fashion-centric people who wants N97 a little smaller, good for basic social networking activities)

I have these thoughts that Nokia will release N97 mini first before N97's v20 so people can have a grab of the mini version first as they are of almost the same price. For instance, 5800 (no kinetic scroll) and 5530 (new phone with kinetic scroll).

But for me, I hope they release our update first since we bought their first touchscreen product in advance, and took the risk of its flaws.

Its possible, N900 is not a smartphone for me. Its like a tablet that is capable of some features of mobile phones.

Well then that's a good strategy for Nokia releasing a tabletish phone and communicatorish phone at the same time, delivering products to different segments of the market.

Not true.Most nokias in Malaysia are unbranded,where people just buy in phone shops or authorize dealers.The phones that are branded by our telcos are iphone 3g and 3gs.The reason you can't get it yet is because it hasn't been released.

taz good point and i was laughing and very true everytime i click on show unread posts since the last visit i get new posts from the update pages and its all the same questions and for the one asking to change his code dude just wait its not the end of the world did you see any post from me complaining or asking when and what as in the last post nokia dont give release dates wherever you see a release date its not true they said october and we are still in october so you just have to wait and dont change ur code cuz you will lose your warrenty and for those they think they are smart they change the code after the update they change it back okay but nokia when you update ur fone will recieve a report about everything which means they know whats going on do it and go to nokia and try to fix ur fone and we will see what they are going to say just relax everybody wo what 2 more weeks just wait god eh

where can I found product code compatible for 2.0
I have enough waiting for this update, it's already 15 and still nothing for my N97, v11 it's a rubbish, I have to change my product code for update. please help

ps. I will like to have European product code so I can have more then 1 language (eng)

There are no clues which product code gets it first.

EURO1 product code (BLACK) is 0570817. I used this before when I want to get it first.
I changed it using the Nemesis software.

I always hear that it will be released by the end of October. There are no particular dates but we can expect it on the last week of October.

I wonder what takes them (NOKIA) too long. They've already released those added features in Nokia 5530, but do they still have to wait for the release of N97 mini which includes the N97 v20 features?

Strategic move for them. Maybe they are doing this to keep their customers and wait for the release of N97 v20, while other customers, using other phone models, shift to either 5530 or N97mini (a "revamped" N97). That's +customers, I guess.

That's right. If they've managed to release v20 right away, who will buy N97 mini then?? Considering the small gap in price.

Aren't they still alarmed of their disgracing camera lens problem? Nokia, c'mon..

Latest available software for  Nokia N97, product code 0570817
Version:  12.0.024

I would like to have 2.0

This forum will just keep you posted in case of its availability.. Let's just wait..

I don't like this solution, some people are using it already, I want to be happy from my N97, as long as I start to be angry on it.

i think 12 is good and stable.. only a few minor bugs...

and im sure v20 will be worth the wait..

but it doesent matter how long it takes to release

this statement makes zero sense but i can't stop laughing when i read it..
"I want to be happy from my N97, as long as I start to be angry on it."
roflmao...what the hell does this mean???

Today Nokia technical People called me just to ask if i m enjoying my N97, and guess what they dont even heard about version 2.0. After hearing lots of complains from my side they said sir u can update ur firmware to 12.0...*** but they dont even heard about version 2.0, so how can we expect 2.0 in shorter time............:(

what the hell rajeh i dont think that you saw the officail video or presentation of the new update to v20 and how the hell they are telling they dont or like you said they didnt heard of it yet

here watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_iajkv2YE8
and according to what i saw in the video this shit head is happy to announce the new software coming with the new features in the menu which means we gonna have more problems with the c memory cus all this shit from nokia the accu weather and whatever are useless


how rude eh did you see the date or RELEASE IN THE VIDEO (26-08-2009) wtf

^^ yes u r right, i also have seen the video, and even i can post the recorded voice call also where they r accepting that they r not aware about any firmware version 2.0, and only version 12.0.0.** is only there...

sorry mate but i think you called not the nokia service you called the nokia stupid care rofl kidding where are you uk or something maybe they really didnt hear about it but iam not complaining or something or like the other users here nokia said there release will be in october and we are still in if they didnt release it until 31.10.2009 then we can start complaining and the timer it was nothing as a bullshiz there was no official date for the release what am gonna say just wait and we will see whats gonna happen and by the way people are making it a big deal its not a magic release that will turn your fone to a laptop its nothing but a better way to scroll nothing more and some bugs are fixed and iam 1000000000000 % sure that this new software will bring new bugs with i dont wanna screw it on you guys but its the fact the only thing that bothers me why is the n900 supports flash player like a windows and not our stupid junk fone its a pain in the ass .

v12 isent that bad is it people?

sure there is a few bugs like the ringtone problem but its still pretty good.

disturbed how was the n96? i was going to buy it but it looked a bit chunky so i held off buying one..

nokia should take longer to release it make sure there are no bugs so everyone is happy.. whats the rush? its coming thats good enough:D

i didn't called them they called me up from Delhi..... i stay in calcutta, INDIA

best nokia ever untill now is nokia n95 8gb and the nokia n96 i had both whatever you do whatever you install if compatable or not to ur fone maybe its not gonna work but they never crash they never slow down just like panzer fones but nokia n97 just like baby wtf lil error or something got crashed by the way my old fones never crashed and never did any update and even i had the windows 98 on my 8gb one works like hell never had problems with flash player cuz i used the windows to access those kind of websites by the way i downloaded windows 95 its made for e71 not for n97 installed it just need lil bit more of time to release it my way my version nokia n97 version and am gonna share it with you all its gonna take a lil bit longer cuz its god damn hard to set everything and write the whole codecs again cuz it downs work with touch screen and there is an owner nokia 97 on youtube he installed the windows on his device but guess some poeple are really strange he deosnt post a link about it or something just assholes never mind and sorry for the lang watch it your self he is smart but iam smarter lol kidding

here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YwuV13KGpI

maybe v20 update will make the phone better then the n95 and 96 where for you

lets hope so but to be honest i lost faith in nokia sorry and i dont think that is gonna happen in this life maybe the next one (after death )

MAN this is remote desktop application for N97 :) and as you can see is based on java...
and as you can see the user is dumb enough so he hasn't removed theese buttons
shown by default by all java apps :)

for now im happy with nokia but i dont really mind what make the phone is as long as its good. i liked sony ericsson a lot to if the 12mp sony came with a good amount of memory and a keyboard it might of been worth buying.

the iphone to if it had good specs and everything enabled instead of apple crippling everything it would of been worth getting to..

pslabakov damn ur right didnt notice that but dont worry soon am gonna post my release of windows 95 here cuz i got and installed but having problems with it cuz it was made for e71 and now iam converting it to nokia n97 and am not gonna be releasing it untill we get the new software update after updating gonna install the final version

OK, HERE IS THE NEWS:

I have today telephoned the DEDICATED UK NOKIA N97 SUPPORT LINE, and the person i spoke to checked the latest for me, and has confirmed to me that the release of 2.0 is going to be more than likely nearer to the end of November now, due to the delays that were experienced during the rollout of v12.x.x. So there we have it, from the horse's mouth. Shame i know, but there's nothing we can do apart from wait!

If anyone wants to hear it for themselves (in the UK), the number for the N97 support line is 01480-410697. :)

i dunno if this post is real or not.. why until now nokia is not providing update here in the Philippines ^^

I don't believe it.
the rollout of 12.x.x has no bearing on the rollout of V 2.0
you should know better than that..

I wont Believe Nokia anymore they told us that Oct the release for V20 now they telling us that Nov i can tell you guys that we will get on January for sure. So guys don't make a dream that you all will get the New Version this now.Dont Dream It. Nokia really F....

Let's just calm down a little bit, folks...

Nokia HAS NOT been giving us a release date for the new firmware release. As long as we are talking about rumors we can not and should not give anybody the blame. Specially not Nokia. Just wait and see. You'll get the update allright...

So, please, keep your flamewar to your self... ;)

i agree.. we have to calm down.. and act like and adult...
besides.. oct isn't passed yet.. this is still oct...
i'm believeing more in videos on nokia world that's say this v2. is releasing oct..
though they didn't tell when exactly.. but this is still oct..
i think we all should wait more patiently... ^^

Guys Latest News That i am able to update NSU.Nokia Software Updater Version 1.8.10 Malaysia time 5.22pm Date 16/10/2009.Please take note guys.Who ever not yet update The NSU Now available

^^^
yeh i just updated the NSU 1.8
now i am currently updating to v12, not the update i was looking for but oh well

v2.0 is next!!

Updating NSU right now ...

Lebanon (Middle East)

Yeah May be In the dream bro V2. Hope So Bro

what that supposed to mean ?

7aram 7abibi

update :D cyprus

lol ... ahlan 7abibi :P

what u updating, NSU ??

yes my phone has a uk code i wont see the v20 for ages

changing codes do wonders ;) ...

thats so true... and i even get greek language when i change it to one from greece because this stupid uk code does not have greek in the settings..

but whats annoying is if i change my code to one that is not uk the keyboard buttons change..

stupid on nokias part

keyboards r not standard ?
i never knew that ... well best of luckm8

thanks!

well i dont mind it .. because it means i get greek language but some buttong line full stop are in different places on the greek n97 keyboard and you have to spend ages finding it

can confirm that Switzerland also got an NSU update.

Wow, it's incredible that they are still issuing V12.

some codes i checked a few weeks ago still had the v10

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&thread.id=58800 (http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&thread.id=58800)

I can confirm the the NSU (Nokia Software updater - software on the PC) can be upgraded in the UK (as other countrys can now upgrade this). The NSU I have just installed is 1.8.10en

This I have found seems to update whenever there is a new software version for the phone being released.  So I would take a guess that its is just a matter of a couple of days now.

oh god.... why all of us getting confused between NSU Update and Firmware Update.

If we have got NSU update that does not at all means that we r getting v 2.0 for for phones...... though if we get it then thats GR888888888888....:-p

As far as I can tell nobody in here is confused about that. It's just that along with the NSU some are reporting firmware updates to v12.  Even if its not the news we want to hear,
for those coming from versions 10 & 11 it is indeed good news.

thats what used to happenw ith my iphone when a firmware was released they would release a new itunes and then straight after a new firmware.. well they have done everytime.. but lets see what nokia does

Hello people check this out, this is an official statement regarding uptate to V20 of N97

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&thread.id=58800

I hope was helped you!

Cheers to all

thanz ill be waiting for it in the next couple weeks

well we cant really tell whether its an official statement or not. (Im assuming that the Nokia Employee is true) Because rumors does happen in the business organization. Maybe he got a wrong info like us in the first place. If thats the case, then it is best if we just expect the v20 update this month rather than the exact date so that theres no hype in our expectation and we will not be upset knowing that what they called "official statement" is just a false statement.

The official statement is still the MONTH OF OCTOBER. So when November comes, and NO V20 in our NSU, there are lot of flames targeted to Nokia. That includes mine.

In the meantime, check your NSU every other day i suggest(if your really itchy of getting that v20 like me). The upgrade of NSU is a good sign that theyre preparing for something big, probably v20.

Again this is just my opinion, your free to disagree. :)

i would be very suprised if info like v20 release date where not true straight from nokias website..:/

 :) My Nokia software update ICON on my desktop just came up with a pop up saying a new software is available. Will install it shortly. Good luck to the rest.

Right click on the NSU updater and click properties. Click on the tab compatibility and check the box Run in (dunno whats called in english) ... Windows XP (Service Pack 3)

That should do the trick, piratesean ::) ;D

hey people...i know theres been an update for the nsu...but i checked my phones SW and it said...software update with an   "!"   its just on charge now cos I dnt wanna bugger it like I did my N95 lol. Any news on what this might be. Im in the U.K so could it be V.12??   

Could be...

Cheers John Doe, that worked a treat.

To the mods, apologies for my bad language, just getting increasingly annoyed with Nokia right now.

The update was v12.0.026

My phone is RM-505 (UK)

Guys ma brothers from other mothers ,ma fellow symbian bros , n97 freaks i love my nokia n97  :), but like most of u that are veteran symbian users or if u used the nokia n95 , it was so solid. I expected the nokia n97 to be the finish mobile giant's flagship phone .but instead bla bla bla.... Anyhow   Just enjoy and make the best of ya n97 handsets for now , just don't think about the 2.0 firmware (it could be worse , u could be using the CRAPPY IPHONE ::) lol true tho) .. ..... ...... , Personally i'm kinda torn btwn my much loved n97 , n900 and the n920 ,,,,  :-\  and i put the 2.0 firmware update at the back of my mind , ill check for the update at the end of the month.

Guys check out this link and see......... :P :-[ :'(  http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&thread.id=58800

^^When already two time this link has been posted in the posts of page no. 26, Why u r posting it again.....we r getting confused, with whats coming new here....!

Cheers John Doe, that worked a treat.

To the mods, apologies for my bad language, just getting increasingly annoyed with Nokia right now.

The update was v12.0.026

My phone is RM-505 (UK)


Yer i downloaded this "new" v12 software...however, it hasn't changed anything really and i really hope its not the same with v20 where there's hardly any change..i'm sure it will be fine though.
Another thing id like to ask is, i cant log onto my email anymore!!2 days its been it keeps coming with a connection error but everything else using this connection is perfectly fine.

Damn phone! Do I really have to detach the battery for so many times in one day just to restart this with no other choice but to do this since the power buttons or any hardware buttons won't allow you to POWER OFF?? This is v12.0.026. If this will happen with v20, then recall all phones released.

This kind of issue should never be compared to other phones since Nokia is an established company that garners rank#1 overall, and as an Nseries, Nokia should at least explain why these kind of problems have to occur even though they have released 5800 as S60v5 pioneer, with ALMOST EXCELLENT slider for unlock. So why should this problem have to occur?

The slider is very essential that is almost used every now and then to check the phone for some messages or calls, or play music or games, or browse the internet and social networking applications. After doing the job/s, the slider is an excellent way to keep the touch screen from accidental press. But, how come this part was ignored by the inevitable Quality Assurance or Testers??

I am pointing this out to emphasize one part of the whole problem of the phone. If this will be ignored, then this might be carried to the next phone model, which we can eventually avail in the future to replace our current ones.

No, keyboards aren't standard, here in Spain the keyboard layout is modified to include de "Ñ" character and the rest of symbols are in different order than the english keyboard.

maybe its time for you to go to Nokia Care Center . Talk to customer service, they will hear your problems.

well im glad i dont have such problems with my phone. But I understand why you are upset. goodluck to you mate :)

Hell, I had every problem he mentioned.  you will too

it's time for him to do a hard reset.

Thanks guys. I think I really have to do a hard reset. I really do hope v20 fixes these kind of problems as I didn't experienced these before in my 5800 at all. Maybe more minimal min 5800 than this.

yes you really need to do a hard reset.

I remembered when I received my phone. I immediately perform a hard reset.

haha . Just sharing


UPDATE CHECK:

October 18, Sunday. Philippines - still on V.12.0.26.

All are just Waiting... Waiting... Waiting...

Hey actually, why the big fuss about v2???
It's got just a lil bit of enhancements and a few bug fixes... and maybe will add a few other bugs...

Are they doing something big by adding a Kinetic Scrolling??? They should have done that before the phone's launch... Other phones already have the feature... Nokia is doing it last!

Are they doing something big by freeing 10MB phone memory? My first question is, N97 is THE TOP OF THE LINE Phone... It should have had atleast a 100 MB free Phone memory(or more)... We get 25-30 MB free in all the s60 and s60v2 phones of Nokia!

What Nokia should do is recall the N97s, and get the design flaws fixed... especially the white glow in photos when clicked in Flash mode!
Then they should replace our SPEAKERS to have a decent amount of volume!
Add more RAM...
Add more Phone Memory!
Make the WiFi receiver powerful like the one in N82!!!


What nokia should have done with this COSTLY piece of mobile is to fix the problems!!!

I am a huge nokia fan... I have had more than a dozen cell phones now, and have never used any other mobile than a Nokia! I bought my N97! And feels like this might be my last! Nokia is becoming more and more of a CHINA product - in made, and quality - both hardware and software!!!

Buddy...... u have just spoken my mind.......!!

Now next time if i buy any mobile i have to think other than nokia also....

WORD!!!!!

Me too, I've always bought Nokia's but my mate showed me his HTC Hero, I think I made a mistake.

Craig

Guys so you all are waiting for the update becuase of the fixes nd the scroll thing?
THAT IS NOT WHAT I'M WAITING FOR!
The CPU ofr the N97 can be 700MHZ but it is 400MHZT now.
We all watched the videos. did you all see how fast the cellphone there is?
How is that possible? I'm studiing informatik an i tell you, this guys don't have the time to increase the software in that way. they probably just increased the CPUrate from 400 to 700 I HOPE!
If it is like i think, the N97 would come clos to the OMNIA HD with 800 MHZ.
Why is that so important? When there are 2 HIGH END PHONES with clos CPU rates and the same Operatingsystem, the apps can be better programmed just for that phones and not ALLWAYS FOR THAT F**** 5800!!!!!

Wht do u mean by "CPU of N97 CAN BE 700MHz" ?
What videos?

the CPUrate of the N97 is at the moment 400MHZ this is 300 less then what it COULD be.
They made that to safe the battery. But they SEAM to realize SOON!!!!!! that it is not enough. The N97 needs 2 times longer for the same BENCHMARKTEST then the OMNIA HD needs. Now it seams, I really don't know if it is like that but I don't think that they invested money in optimizing the software instead of raising up the cpurate.
And if you whatch the youtubevideos of the Firmware 2.0 you'll see, that the N97 compare to what we now got, is FLIYING. It is fast, doesn't stuck a time! My N97 stuck all the time, when I just go the the app menu or any other menu:D

can u give us some video links so we can see the flying n97 on 2.0 firmware ? :D

The only thing that will be flying is my N97 back to the shop if they don't fix all the bugs  ;D I'm seriously considering the SE Satio.. everything is better than the nokia other than the lack of keyboard, which i can live without. This is their last chance.. if everything isn't fixed, bye bye Nokia forever.  ;)

Yep, i will also return my N97 if the 2.0 firmware dissapoints, and after that i would go for the N900, so welcome back nokia  :P

well good luck, but I lost all faith in Nokia, and I know they will manage to mess up the N900 somehow.

After so much of inconsistency, I am damn sure N900 will have problems as well... Nokia phones are great, only in the TV ADS now....

Sure it will have some bugs just like with every other nokia phon,e like the N95 and now the N97. But the N900's hardware will be much better/faster so, i haven't given up just yet :)

By the time v2.0 comes out i will likely be on another device and won't care.

i invested toooo much money in my n97 to just buy me another device and by hte way if performance would be the important thing  for me , i woold buy the omnia HD but there are so much more things. For example here are many people talking about the n900 which seams pretty amazing, but it is so unbeliveble UGLY! it looks like the n97 without the sharm of the n97 do you know what i mean? I don't know somehow i begin to dream about the linux on my n97 because the n900 got an 600MHz CPU and the n97 can go up  to 700 so it would be possible but i don't really think, that that gonna happen, cause in the end, it's all about money.

one of the main reasons i wont consider the N900 is because I feel like Nokia has completely slapped us in the face. Right after the N97 comes out, with all its bugs, they introduce the N900 as if they're saying ( ooops, this is what the flagship should have been, the N97 was a mistake!  ) and left us just unimpressed with the problematic N97. I just can't trust them anymore.. us, the customers deserve better.. especially considering the amount of money we paid for the N97.

The N900 also lags behind to the competition in many features.. especially the camera, considering the competition already have 12 mps in the market. Not to mention the unknown bugs in the N900 that have yet to be discovered  ;)

I also have those same complaints, and it's good to express and address those to Nokia.

We all know that the stuff we bought are pricey, thus, our expectations are high too as well.
We could think of it as a failure of Nokia (with their v10-12), as the initial stage of their firmware is truly buggy, but we still could make use of the phone despite lots of annoyances.

We could consider this by comparing their initial firmware with the initial releases of N95 8gb and 5800, where they have resolved a lot of issues in v10/11-15, then released the stable v20/30/31.

Actually, these could just simply be ignored if we bought it with the price of Nokia 1100, then that's an excuse. But the fact that our expectation for a pricey gadget is as high as what a high-end device is supposed to be, this is merely a loss on our side, N97-users, and this is now the main focus of the mobile company even they have series of releases of upcoming gadgets, such as N900 and N97 mini.

N900 basically targets consumers who are much more technically-inclined and computer-savvy, and should not compete directly with N97 since the latter is for simple social networking activities, and is more of a PHONE.

Again, let's wait and see what Nokia is up to this v20, and let's prepare our list of test cases and plans for it.

P.S.: I was also thinking of buying N900 (i love its keyboard!) too in replacement for N97, but not as early as this quarter since the upcoming firmware that could resolve its portrait mode usability might be a little later. I also need to text with one-hand operation for sometime so portrait mode for me is a must.
Another thing is that I look for a true phone where I can attach my favorite wrist strap at the base portion.

To note, all of these are just my preferences. Just sharin' mine. :)

Hmmmm...
Well I really didnt understand this marketing technique with the Nokia N97...
When N95 came into market, it did gr8! (even though it shud have had better hardware)...
Then later Nokia carried ahead the N95's popularity and created the N95-8GB! I really loved this phone!!! And I can tell this to anyone, and fight for it that this was the best phone! Nokia truely swept people off their feet by creating this beauty !
Then they carried this even further by creating the N96 ! ---- FLOOOPPPPPPEEEERRRR !!!

Now with N97... First they release 5800, to check the response... and i bet it wasnt all that good, cuz there were much better phones as compared to 5800!

Then the super phone N97 ! Consumers felt history will repeat... and that N97 will everything they dreamt of and an equal competitor for HTC, iPhone and rest...  
BUT..................................................... We all know what happened!

Well I know it's a waste complaining on a forum, cuz Nokia would hardly care!

A friendly advice to all of you...
Please dont jump to buy the N900 !
Let Nokia realize that they cant continue to ignore the consumers!

True and it doenst make any difference anymore for me cuz this is the last mobile fone i buy from nokia end of the line BiG FAIL

 This phone is just trash. I just posted  what i thought was a fix for predictive text but the phone is so buggy that a few minutes later it stopped working again.

 For all that read the post.  Sorry. I tried.

hey.. it's ok... i guess we just gave to wait...

me too.enough of tis nokia thing.

Ok...why are people acting like children here?
I got my N97 in july and have been happy with it ever since...it's a phone!
and people that thinks the camera is crap...why do you need 12mp cam? that's a 4000*3000 resolution...why do you need that?There are people that need/use 12mp, but guess what? They are professionals(photographers etc), and I can guarantee you that they will NOT use a mobile phone to take pictures..
And the bugs? Is the bugs making your phone useless/not working? No.
I paid a lot of money for the N97, and it does what they promised...I can call people, sms,take pics, listen to music and so on..What do you people really expect? It's a mobile phone!
It's pretty fast, programs open in seconds, web browser is very good, cam takes good quality pictures and the battery lasts for a long time considering how powerful the phone is!
Do you realize Nokia could just release the phone and leave it at that, as long as it works no need for fw updates right?Well we have got 2 fw updates already, and the upcoming v20(supposedly the holy grail of fw updates according to some people here) is just around the corner.
Waaaa waaa waaa Nokia promised us v20 in October waa waaa waa, guess what, they did not promise us v20 in October until a few days ago, but still people cried like children as early as 5th of October...jeeez!And for the people that think anyone from Nokia reads this, think again!This forum is NOT affiliated with the company called Nokia.
Really...just STFU and grow up!

Let's get a few things straight Mr trasher.

1st of all, yes it is a phone, but that's not the only reason everyone here bought it. If we wanted JUST a phone, we would have bought a 1100 with no features what so ever. We bought the phone for the promised features.

You say yours does everything you want it to do? Well I'm happy for you, but for the rest of us, it isn't doing what it's supposed to do. How? Well let me tell you about my own pleasant experience. Whenever I activate the loud speaker mode in phone calls, the other person can't hear me. Whenever I want to access my home Wifi, it doesn't  work, and I have to reboot the device. Whenever I install applications and use them, the phone gets stuck and I have to hard reset it and start all over again.

Whenever I want to scroll through the 560 songs I have stored, I either have to type the name in, or find it by a lucky incident because the God damn scroll bar is so inefficient to use. Whenever I want to open the Camera lens cover, I am too worried about scratching the God damn camera lens. And it still got scratched, and soon enough, I wont even be able to use the 5mpixel ( good enough as you say ) camera! Not to mention the time it takes to open the photo viewer everytime.

 Did I mention the terrible GPS signal that keeps cutting whenever it's on? Or amazing build quality for the flagship, as it starts making noises because of the not so stable battery cover? Or the never ending usage of C/ memory when I don't even use anything on it! And just to add to the list, yesterday the phone just wouldn't start up after it got stuck and I had to hard reset it! And then after I did that, I went out, and my friend has been trying to call me for like 8 times, everytime his phone would show the ringing tone, but on my phone I wouldn't even get the " (*&^%^&*( is calling you " sign until i rebooted once again!

And this " 5 mp is more than enough, you don't need 12 mp " mentality is so backward. If every manufacturer listened to you, we would still be living in the stone age.

I'm really happy that your N97 is working perfectly fine without any issues, but please, whenever you see people complaining about it, don't call them children, because I assure you, you wouldn't be happy if you were in their place!

Well tbh, do you need 12mp cam? I would be happy with a full HD resolution if the picture quality was perfect, but the quality does not necessarily improve with more mp..
I won't say the N97 is perfect and without bugs, but the bugs are being fixed, there is not one single software in this world that was bugfree and would please everyone..
My problem is with the people going berserk like this, in this forum and many many others...you find 1 minor problem with something and you cry/scream and act like it's the end of the world....
And FYI I have been in their/your situation...my last phone was a HTC TYTN 2...
http://www.htcclassaction.org/ explains it all...surely alot of people at xda-developers were pissed off(including me) but no-one ever acted like people on this forum...

A phone does need a camera.. but it's always a bonus to have it. And when it's a 12Mp, its a big bonus especially for people who like taking pictures like myself :) You know, you should check out the Samsung OmniaHD, it has the same symbian as the N97, but it's almost flawless. Why couldn't Nokia make the software stable and Samsung did it with their 1st try with symbian?

Not everyone is complaining about minor problems.. and the comments on here just show how frustrated people are.

trasher if you don't lile people talking about there problems, don't read, just go.
Really what is YOUR problem? We all are talking about the N97 just how it is.
I love this phone, really i do, but this all cann't be true. This is all we say

So none of you think you are overreacting? Seriously?

trasher my PHONE STCUK ALL THE TIME . me and 2 of my friends ,we got the n97, we was big fans of nokia, before that i used a n95 and it was more stabil then this phone but also was not STABIL!
BUT THIS PHONE!!!  We all cann't belive this! we have to hardware reset the phone all the time. it is horrible. for 500€ we can expect a phone which WORKS don't we?
and by the way the where is the update?

Could it possibly be a faulty phone? maybe take it back to the store?

no, we all got the same problems.
everytime we install apps, a few apps, the phone make this problems.
and so on. But by the way, this is a forum it is normal to talk about the problems.

Mr. i trasher i dont think that you are understandind what is wrote here you can call and write sms with ur fone cool but this is not enough from a smart fone its called a smart fone its a stupid fone iam nokia user more than 10 years and now the n97 is the last fone i ever buy from nokia again and by the way dont tell people to shut the **** up show some respect otherwise noone gonna respect you and did you realize its called www.nokian97forum.com and its for us to discuss and talk about any problem if you dont like it you can leave !  >:(

May I remind you (without being kicked  ;D) that this thread's subject is "Nokia N97 2.0 Release Stages" !??!?!?

If ur gonna make a flamewar, then use an other thread to do that, instead of filling this (serious) thread.

Why dont call it: "Hey, I bought a N97, and it is a piece of CRAP!"

And let us keep this thread clean so we can use it for what is was intended for?

Ladies & Gentlemen, boys & girls, the moment yo've been waiting for has come.

Today I get a message from nokia care, telling that my n97 was repaired and ready to get back to my hands.

Once at the nokia store, I turned on the phone, pressed the service code for the info window (*#0000#) and there it was, Firmware Version 20.0.007 dated on 02/09/09.

Then I tested for the problem that caused me to send it to repair and the problem still was there, the phone doesn't detect the movement and doesn't react activating the portrait or landscape mode, so I had to resend it inmediatly to be repaired.

During the brief test, I tested that new kinetic scroll, and in my opinion is quite responsive, but not so smooth like in the 5800xm.

Well, can anyone of you take your phone to a Nokia service and ask for a firmware update? Maybe that way you all will get the v2.0 too.

Come on guys, move on!

PD: I'm in Spain and sorry for my english for any mistake.

Checking on NSU, still nothing (Slovenia). X-BASS what do you mean with that kinetic scrolling on the N97 is not so smooth as in 5800xm? 5800xm doesn't have one i think.

Sorry, didn't want to say 5800's kinetik scrolling, but, that the scroll on the 5800xm, being a slower hardware, is still smoother than the n97 with the v20 firm.

Last week my friend let me her phone to put some games in it, I was amazed that the games folder scrolled totally smooth without any jump after filling it with almost 100 games, in the other hand my n97 with v12 scrolls choppy any folder with more than 30 icons, and still on v20 it doesn't get the same smoothness than the cheaper phone.

Im actually pretty happy with mine, works great for internet, games, sms, calls, apps. Got lots an lots of apps installed, to bad that youre unhappy with yours, get it replaced or something. And now im not even going to check this thread anymore, kinda tired of your whining and flaming to be honest.

I can't believe all this here.
Why don't you just let everyone tell what they wannt? It is pretty obvious that they are depressed about what they got for the money so what? just let us talk. that's what is all about here . TALK. and everyone who don't like to read, yes you don't have to. Just go and don't look back:D

And what if someone gets the v20 update and decides to write in this thread?

are you serious?
Really ARE YOUR SERIOUS? It's your desicion. You said that you don't wannt to read what is writen here anymore. If you are intereseted, you can come and read. And yes, the last things writen here may not be what they should be, but you shuld understand it. That was all I wanted to say. But ok lt's stop with teling our problems and wait for news

Is curious that no one seems to be happy that we maybe have a way to get the v20. before public release :(

people dont worried v20 is coming in the next couple days dont stress out more just think bout Nokia is releasing N97 mini the 23 of october with the v20 firmware n thats just a hint that the v20 is coming the same day of release for the n97. something curious happen to me today i got a message from My Nokia giving me a tip on how to upgrade my software aint that weird why should i get a message just 3 days before the release of the N97 mini just think bout it for a second...

Same message for me today, i'm in Spain, where did you get yours rodrag?

im in Philadelphia USA aint that weird with the upcoming n97 mini

NO N97 FW 2.0 update here in the philippines yet oct 21 still waiting till oct 30

and what happens if we dont get it by 30th? come on man chill..

I hope we're gonna be happy with this..
http://microsites.nokia.com/goodthingsdownload/ (http://microsites.nokia.com/goodthingsdownload/)

Good things <--??

wtf :D

wtf am gonna say lol good things hahahaha they are trying to shut us up i think maybe its gonna be a free applications just like the junk in the ovi store enjoy Lol!

http://europe.nokia.com/explore-services/maps?ce=crane (http://europe.nokia.com/explore-services/maps?ce=crane)

The first thing that always come into my mind when I read all blogs about this was the firmware version 2.0 release. Whew! I was keep on expecting.. Hope they release it so soon..

same here. I hope that Good Thing - is equate to v20. hahaha

for now, im still waiting. . :)

still nothing: unbranded-usa

and btw.. phone was received back from service center 2 days ago where charging issue, camera and gps were all fixed. Phone works great but did not come back with V2.0 firmware :(

well vodafone are offering the N97 mini from the 29th October in the UK link here http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/nokia-n97-mini so maybe v20 will be out around or just after then I think more likely November time myself.

just wondering how many days did the nokia care center take to fix all this??because i want to send mine to fix the gps antenna problem

i love how the americans pronounce nokia like nokeeya lol

I'm liking this Release! its like waiting For the new Year....

Except instead of just a bad hang over and 2 days holiday..

something good is going to happen :D ::)

lol yeah.. who wants to take bets on the release date haha

im guessing by the end or middle of next month it will be rolled our to everyone most likely end of it

its nothing like waiting for the new year...u know when its gna be new year....u dnt know when this firmware release is coming out

they should take their time release it in another few months

Ah True.. But there are many new years through out the Year...Chinese New Year.. Is some time soon.... ???

But Basically.. The issue isn't the release Date.. Its just... Can't Nokia Give us a Rough Date?... Or just the Date.... Or Some type of Out put.. That they are atchually.. talking to us?

Even Bil Gates Will give a date for Windows 2012..

Repair Status Results

The repair status of your device is:

Your Nokia N97-3 device, serial number xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, was received for repair on
10/14/09 and is currently in the queue to be evaluated for repair.

Turnaround time for in-warranty repairs is approximately 7-10 business days.
More about estimates >>

You will be contacted if the required repairs are not covered under warranty.

Please note that in some circumstances turnaround timeframe may be longer (quote approval needed, parts on order, device transferred etc.)
 
Repair History:
Status date    Status
Current Status    Shipped Repaired Original Phone
10/14/09    Repair in Progress
10/14/09    Received
10/13/09    Pending Receipt by the Repair Center

So as you can see the Huntsville Service Center is Very efficient.
I went to the website filled out a small form for repair. it was accepted, an hour later i had the phone in the mail and it was received the next day and repaired the same day it arrived then shipped back out the next day via ups 2nd day air.
Very impressive.

Christmas is about to hit us and Nokia like everybody else wants to be on peoples shopping list. Its likely resources are being devoted to the N97 Mini. Can't wait to see how that plays out being that the N97 is still so screwed up.  

The FW V2 update should be starting it's release pretty soon as it is now at the RDA, so it will be available soon, depending on the outcome there.

I will state the same thing I have said many times before, Nokia has never and most likely will never release times and such as to their FW updates. Anything with these dates are normally rumors, granted some of these rumors may pan out, but should not be relied upon. These things are done by many different factors and require a lot of approvals, by many governing authorities. They also have never released an update, at least to this point without the RDA process first, and it was just released to RDA.

This is a good sign though, the normal process is a release shortly after it is released to RDA, and this is now being done, so I know that v20.0.019 should hopefully find it's approval there, and then on to us.

maybe the date of the release of v20 is in the MAYAN CALENDAR. hahahaha. :))


anyway, i trust NOKIA will roll it out this week . . anytime soon because November is coming and they cant afford to release the v20 on NOVEMBER.

They said in the Nokia World that v20 will release in the MONTH OF OCTOBER. I hope and I trust Nokia will fulfill its promise. .

My phone came yesterday with 20.0.007, how do you know that 20.0.019 is the final release?

guys what is the update for version 2.0 until know no news. is more than a week what the hell is happening only NSU is available.Can anyone tell me what is the progress.dont make us wait like this.It was not professional way.....

my NSU is not available for now..

hmm I wonder...

 :D

OK i have an intresting update for u guys.

Ive tried to run my nokia software update and i got a message that new software is available to download. but after it downloaded the new update, i got a message that my operation system is not supported for the new software (I'm on windows 7 64-bit).

so i cant test it, but i think its connected to the really near release of the 20 firmware.

no thats just the new version of NSU thats not compatible with windows 7 64 bit cos i got a duel boot of the same OS as you and vista 32 bit it installs on vista but not on windows 7 64 i noticed that when i connected to ovi suite it had on there that i should back up my phone software the last time i did was 2 days ago which it said on there so im thinking that they are telling me to do so ready for a firmware update so fingers crossed its v20 in the next couple of days  ;D

aparantly some people have the update v2.0..

where to did you see this Grigoris22

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&thread.id=58800&view=by_date_ascending&page=10

aparantly released in norway to

kinda obvious its gonna come out with the Nokia N97 mini. I can only speculate though ! :)

OK i can feel it its very near!!

I'm in Israel I'm waiting like hell to this new firm.. I'm checking every few Hours for the availability of the new firm!

well update again soon!

nsu is down i guess they are updating servers with 2.0

i cant find a code with the update.. anyone with a 2.0 code??

yeah.. anyone with code that have the 2.0 update please post it here...

I have not tried to install the stand-alone NSU but the Ovi Suite 2.0.0.10 installs and runs fine under Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and has the Software Updates feature built in. 

Still waiting on PR2 for my N97. Product code 0575400 (NAM, unlocked, black). I was able to get through to the update server after about 5 tries.

EDIT:  Here's a list of all known product codes for the N97 if anyone is soo desperate as to start cycling through the list.  http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n97/27726-n97-product-codes.html

I connected to the NSU no update available for me - Australia still on 12..0.024

lol i did start but my nsu isnent even working so if i even found a code with the update i wouldent be able to update

I'm not sure what this is. looks like it could be V11 or v2.0.

I just don't feel like playing with it to find out.

http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.html
link removed

looks like 2.0 to me but i dont trust it.. would rather download from nokia directly

that's not v2.0 or v20 as they were telling.

It is firmware version 11.0.021 v2. Our latest available firmware version is 12.0.024 or .026 v3.

It is quite confusing but instead of just v2, the v20 is PR2.0 as they say.

The site is not a hoax. You just misinterpret it.

To clarify your confusion, visit this. http://www.blue-nokia.com/obnoxy/index02.html

I download firmwares in this site.

I downloaded it, ran the file & it seems okay.  both the *.RAR files merged to form One executable which i ran and examined  but that's as far as I'm willing to take it.

This could brick your phone.

thank you. Ill pull it down before somebody grabs it.

just tried to update my device thru NSU..the NSU service is down here in Dubai :) maybe something is coming..lets wait

Was down for me here in the UK for a while,just tried again and its working but still V12......ah well

Same :( they really need to update the firmware. i've had to reset my phone numerous times.

There is a update out but i am unable to update, I am guessing its V20 as i am already up to date with v12.

I phoned O2 - UK and they told me it might take a week or two to do there own private checks and ill have to wait.

But even O2 told me the update was expected by them to land today.

So i hope your service providers are not as strict and your able to download right now, Ill catch up with you later it seems.

Run it in and ill kill the lot of ya  >:(

ok so the new version of NSU is working for me now.. but still no new firm...

w'll keep waiting like last 2 weeks..

Yeah i think we need to wait more and more ...
Btw check this site : just write symbian freak on google to find it
Anyway on this site you can see if there is a new firmware for the n97 or not , it's a very good site giving some important and quickly news  all the time ,  trust me ;)

x-bass, I am not saying that v20.0.19 will be the final release, although it may, what I am saying is that this is the FW that was released to the RDA and if they find no objections that is what will follow, if they find problems then there maybe a change before the final release.

AS I stated before, the FW has always been sent to RDA and then tested, and shortly after released to the public. I am only trying to let people that for whatever reason, believe that releasing FW is as simple as writing it and sending it out, unfortunately, it does not work this way at all, and let them know that it will soon be available.

Anway, it's great that you have it installed on your phone, that saves you from anticipation. Have a great day.

The RDA Is Now showing - SW 20.0.019, Tried to get my hands on one to have a play / test Widgest Ready for the Upgrade But all booked up for at least 72 Hours... So alot of other Dev. Taking a look at whats different....

edit - Also like To Add... The NSU Has just pointed me To.. Sorry the NSU Server Is currently Not Online..

Maybe they will understand your post, (seems nobody reads mine, can't say I blame them) but I did state yesterday, that it was already at the RDA. If you wanted to reserve one, it is getting a little late now, but you could have gotten to it in around 20-24 hrs yesterday, it was up to about 48-55 last night.

I hope you get a shot at it if you did reserve it, and have a great day.

I was out for Dinner tbh when they were put online,

And i know, Its just a waiting game now... And its not really helping the NSU' with people sitting there spamming there servers'....

Its like childbirth.. it can take 5 minutes.. or 48 hours... This one is taking a while...

my NSU is not working and I love it. . Im hoping that Nokia is doing something good. .

It started Last Night at 10pm. . Upto now it still doesnt work. :)


Philippines 11:44am.

I tried it, it worked for me, no update available yet.

Actually, did you see the firmware that came with the N97? v10? Even the current one is garbage. A phone whose hardware buttons malfunction regularly, drops calls regularly, freezes on answering or hanging up, and runs out of memory for no damn reason? Yeah, someone forgot to pass it through QA before release. Plain and simple. Either that, or the QA people were blindfolded for the testing. Can't really tell.

-Anthony

I would really like to know:
All of you who are having problems with your handsets, have you been hacking your handsets?

Or did you install any cracked programs?

I have plenty of problems and have not hacked my phone at all yet. I have been too disappointed with it to bother.

-Anthony

All I have experienced is an occasional change in default ringtone to the original nokia tune...

No button problems, no memory lack...

maybe your dafault ring tone has a big memory file. If thats the case the phone cannot really play it so it will have to play the original nokia tune. its in the FAQ on the Nokia Website. :)


My only problem to my phone is that it doesnt have kinetic scrolling(as of now). I have no other problems like the camera lens, unlock slide, crashing, lagging, and some other stuff. And yes I did a hard reset on my phone the first day i have my hands on it. :)

I'm using one of the ringtones that came with the phone :)